Large Cars To Be Taxed More!!!

[Ghiadude]

just heard on the radio that there is a proposal to tax larger cars more to discourage greenhouse gasses while making it cheaper for smaller cars... we already pay higher rego on heavier cars and use more fuel so therefore pay more tax that way...!!!

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by tx3dude

just heard on the radio that there is a proposal to tax larger cars more to discourage greenhouse gasses while making it cheaper for smaller cars... we already pay higher rego on heavier cars and use more fuel so therefore pay more tax that way...!!!

Yeah but these greenie retard have deduced that a well tuned, loved and maintained V8 will produce more polution than a wheezy abused 10yo jappo 4cly commercial. Go figure.

And the tools at NRMA are backing them on this, out: so you all know what to do when you recieve a renewal.

[MITCHAY]

**** the environment lol. Greenies what can you say

[Full Noise]

I should be OK with my new Camry when I get it, it’s not really a big car is it? :hihi: : : :nutsycuck :Up_to_som

Cheers, Danny

[MO]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

**** the environment lol. Greenies what can you say

Heres what you do....turn off their water,power,sewrage and put them in the scrub...then lets see what they have to say!!!!!

They would'nt last a week without their non enviromental friendly utilities.

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by John McMaster

....turn off their water,power,sewrage .......

Sounds a lot like Sydney under the Carr Government..

[b2tf]

I don't earn money anymore - i am merely a middleman between my boss giving it to me and me giving it to the Government.

[loxxr6]

Here we go.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/05/0...092503043.html

And the tools at NRMA are backing them on this, so you all know what to do when you recieve a renewal.

That depends. If its NRMA Motoring & Services who are backing this (highly likely) then not renewing your NRMA Insurance policy has no effect at all on them.

They're two separate companies and only share a common brand name. Not renewing your insurance policy has no effect on NRMA M&S at all unforunately.

I do agree tho, they back some really stupid ideas people put forward.

[EFFalcon]

do we get taxed less for using LPG?
NO!

[Kryton]

the NRMA are backing it so they can up the insurance costs yet again for large cars.
and who do you think is going to pay the tax on all the large government cars?......thats right, US.
i say they can stick this squarely up their ****.
i will drive what ever i choose and i wont be discriminated for it.

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by davway

the NRMA are backing it so they can up the insurance costs yet again for large cars.
and who do you think is going to pay the tax on all the large government cars?......thats right, US.
i say they can stick this squarely up their ****.
i will drive what ever i choose and i wont be discriminated for it.

Uhmmm No in a word.
NRMA insurance is just a rebranded AIG company same parent company as CGU.

The NRMA as in the roadside assistance and the motoring assosiation of NSW are different entities. That may not be the best annology of the situation but AIG has the big say with the insurance arm of NRMA.

ah screw the hippies

[MITCHAY]

I think its called IAG (Insurance Australia Group) or some shit like that. I have nothing to worry bout as i dont have a large car (probably never will) and even if i did my parents pay for everything lol. But sucks for you guys with your cars. NRMA will do anything to maximise their profits which is what any company does but still sucks big time. Petrol costs more, insurance costs more and now it seems tax will be more. The government doesnt like to cut anyone a break does it.

[loxxr6]

Uhmmm No in a word.
NRMA insurance is just a rebranded AIG company same parent company as CGU.

The NRMA as in the roadside assistance and the motoring assosiation of NSW are different entities. That may not be the best annology of the situation but AIG has the big say with the insurance arm of NRMA.

Yep. Two separate companies that share the same "brand" name. Apparently it's quite a unique set up. I can't think off hand of any other company like this ??

NRMA will do anything to maximise their profits which is what any company does but still sucks big time.

At the end of the day they're a company (with shareholders if we're talking about the insurance arm) like anyone else. People seem to think insurance companies are charities sometimes....

[loxxr6]

ah screw the hippies

Hear Hear!

[the_scotsman]

this been happening in UK for a few years now.....

[ZC-Cruiser]

See, I reckon that using my ZC Fairlane is environmentally friendly motoring since I am using a 1987 Unleaded engine that otherwise would have been crushed for scrap and the same for the car's body - resources were used to create this car - 120 tonnes of water for example:

"An automobile coming off the assembly line, for example, will have used at least 120*000*litres of water*– 80*000*to produce its tonne of steel and 40*000*more for the actual fabrication process. Many thousands more litres of water are involved in the manufacture of its plastic, glass, fabric components."

Not to mention the coal that was burned to smelt the iron ore and the crude oil used to make the plastics, silica for the glass etc, etc...

According to this thread:
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=9250
The fuel consumption of the ZC is comparable to brand new V8 Falcons and I haven't yet tried it with sensible sized tyres...

I'll soon be picking up a $100 ZD shell and assembling another of these beauties - Hopefully it should come in under $2000 - the paint will be the catch there.

OK, say it costs me $6000 to make a nice 1970 Falcon or Fairlane with XF engine, gearbox. exhaust, diff, wiring etc recovered from an XF I paid $100 for. This would include Air Conditioning, stereo, XF front seats, new seatbelts, carpets, basic paint job etc.

I still have at least $30000 left over from what a similar new car would cost me, and I have saved a whole bunch of parts/materials from being recycled by REUSING them.

Recycling involves inputting large amounts of energy and resources to extract the component materials to be made into new items.

Reusing is a low energy input method of getting more use out of manufactured items in their current form.

just my $0.02....

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by the_scotsman

this been happening in UK for a few years now.....

then we know exactly who to blame.! Though I blame the frogs more. Let off nukes in the pacific the sign some B/S Kyoto protocol.

And the rest of europe still buys their shit cars.. go figure.

[LTDHO]

F**K the B***tards!

It costs me more to run it, that's enough.

As previously said, most greenies dive old P.O.S so has does that work. I recall at school we had two teachers that were 'greenies' and their cars were both P.O.S that cause more pollution than most v8's.

[neil101]

Maybe if they fixed public transport there'd be less cars on the road so in turn there would be less greenhouse gasses, However a study was done a couple of years back (I can't find the article now) that a well tunned bus puts out as much greenhouse as 10 poorly tunned cars! I agree with 4wd having the rego increase, when I say that I mean the likes of l/cruisers,patrols and pajeros there just to big for the suburbs.

Neil

[paul7v7]

Would this really happen? There a quite a number of people with large cars, a lot who need them but can't afford an extra tax. i sense many unregistered cars going to be driven soon.

[kypez]

I think they should tax people (if they are hell bent on doing it) depending on the number of kms they do in the big car. This would work with many big car owners being weekend warriors and most people working 9-5 in the city would never get a chance to drive really other than weekends. This would promote use of public transport, a department sorely lacking at this point though.

Also, if you have small car/motorbike you use as a daily driver/rider and the big car for once in a way, I dont see why you should attract the high tax. Like durning rego time, make note of your odo reading with your pink slip or put it on at the time of renewal...

[XAGSV8]

A couple of months ago in Queensland there was a proposal to put big red stickers on large cars with the words gas guzzler and a green sticker on 4cyls.

[SVR73]

Originally Posted by kypez

I think they should tax people (if they are hell bent on doing it) depending on the number of kms they do in the big car. This would work with many big car owners being weekend warriors and most people working 9-5 in the city would never get a chance to drive really other than weekends. This would promote use of public transport, a department sorely lacking at this point though.

Also, if you have small car/motorbike you use as a daily driver/rider and the big car for once in a way, I dont see why you should attract the high tax. Like durning rego time, make note of your odo reading with your pink slip or put it on at the time of renewal...

Instead of doing that, why not put their resources into electric hybrid cars and encourage people to buy them by giving people a good discount on insurance or something

A family sedan ain't as bad as a large 4WD. I hate them things and I would never buy a small car as my legs are so long and I can't drive them with my knees jammed under the wheel.

Bloody governments

[EFFalcon]

large car owners get charged more in taxes already... FUEL COSTS.
why not make public transport cheaper if thats what they want.
costs me less to drive to melbourne, park there all day and drive home then catch a train!

Don't cars output a tiny amount of greenhouse gasses compared to power generation and factories? Its not about the enviroment its people who just hate cars in general.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by kypez

I think they should tax people (if they are hell bent on doing it) depending on the number of kms they do in the big car. This would work with many big car owners being weekend warriors and most people working 9-5 in the city would never get a chance to drive really other than weekends. This would promote use of public transport, a department sorely lacking at this point though.

Also, if you have small car/motorbike you use as a daily driver/rider and the big car for once in a way, I dont see why you should attract the high tax. Like durning rego time, make note of your odo reading with your pink slip or put it on at the time of renewal...

looks good on paper but if you put some real thought into it you would realise the whole country doesnt live in Melbourne or sydney or any other capital city.
i own 2 large cars and i drive to work in them and earn MY living. i pay more at the pump and i pay more at vicroads. public transport? Pffftttt id love to see a bus around here thatll pick me up at 4.30am to get me the 20kms to work.
like i said, not the whole country is based in Melbourne.
the system is fine how it is. this is Australia and we have the freedom to choose things such as what we drive or how we live.
this proposed system is just another way to discriminate against another population that has the RIGHT to choose their ideals.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by SVR73

Instead of doing that, why not put their resources into electric hybrid cars and encourage people to buy them by giving people a good discount on insurance or something

A family sedan ain't as bad as a large 4WD. I hate them things and I would never buy a small car as my legs are so long and I can't drive them with my knees jammed under the wheel.

Bloody governments

Yeah, that would work. I was just putting forward that if they want to make a knee jerk reaction to media hype that the Govt is so renouned on doing, might as well hope for the best alternative.

I too feel your pain with regard to leg room in small cars. I'm not the tallest person but at 6'2" it still is hard to get into smaller cars.

And as for 4wd using more fuel, my XR out does any of the land cruisers, even more fuel than the V8 cruiser so I cant really put anything on them.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

why not make public transport cheaper if thats what they want.

Most public transport systems run at a loss anyway, so they would have absolutly no incentive to lower costs. As for Sydney, they really are quite reasonable, though its cheaper for me to use the bike than public transport.

[Mesa]

I'm already paying a higher tax for the privelige of running a gas guzzling V8 through rego, fuel and insurance, all of which the government has never had objections in taking. I pay for the right to own that car. If some tree hugging, pot smoking dropkick living in a teepee in a national park ,driving a mobile oil slick with no rego, thinks this great idea will save the whales and the rare spotted pimple nose wombat, he and his smelly unemployable clan are sadly mistaken. Will these same fat a$$ed clowns in government responsible for passing these laws take the bus to parliment every morning, or give up the big cars that ferry their worthless carcass' to work? Will they jump on the XPT for their interstate jollies instead of demanding air travel. I got an idea. Why don't they lead by example??