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Starter Motor
Join Date: Feb 2006
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A friend of mine was sacked recently with no reason given and had not been there long enough to get a reasonable pay out. Unfair dismissal laws don't cover it either. What a crock of sh|t!
The worst part is that true fair dinkum Aussies are getting sacked from their current jobs and replaced with cheap, uneducated overseas workers. These same overseas workers are making it difficult for genuine Australians to apply for jobs. Thats my rant for the day... |
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Pimp Daddy Pimp Pimp
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Queensland Events Assistant Co-Ordinator. Fiery's Little Helper
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Yes those laws only effect companies under 20 people but dont they. Or its 100 or some number.
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Clevo Mafia Inc.
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I have been a subcontractor since finishing my apprenticeship (19 years ago), i can be sacked with no payout or reason at any time, the bottom line is, a good worker that gets along with others will never be sacked, all the I.R laws do in this case is help an employer lose excess baggage without penalizing them for it.
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Back in a Ford
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Central Australia
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Everyone is heading off to Uni instead (I have nothing against that) But people need to remember there is plenty of money in the trade sector too. ![]()
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Publishing is a cut throat business
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Mods, I promise not to get into any slinging matches here, promise!! |
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Pimp Daddy Pimp Pimp
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Queensland Events Assistant Co-Ordinator. Fiery's Little Helper
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Aussie worked >$14 a hour. Imports <$3 a hour.
For example not saying where its at but there is a contractor bring in timber cutters, working them for somewhere to stay and food. There chinese. They cut about 600 bucks work of timber a day. He has 5 of them. It costs him what 10bucks a day in food and a caravan in the scrub. Jeff
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AFF's 1st DM.......
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Wha???... There is only 2 states 2 be in.. WA or Drunk..
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Got told that work was slowing down and someone had to be layed off, since i was the last to join the company i was it.
On a more personal note, I asked for a Hepatitis shot due to the work we were asked to carry out , welding polypipe into a landfill area where they suck methane from and use it to pump power back into the Grid. My work collegue moved afew bags when 3 syringes fell out hmmmmm ohhhh dear. My employer at the time says that his employees have been working there for 6 mths without a problem. My question did raise afew hands at work, this was the real reason i was layed off, he also mentioned he had no probs with my work and if i could finish the day off as i had a bit of work to complete.ppppfffttt thanx for the opportunity mate but im gone. Back into working construction again 120K p/a.
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Central to all beach's
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Regular Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tassie
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Who is paying there tax and super?
I do not think he is a hero |
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BLUE OVAL INC.
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Funny subject this, as i made this exact comment in regards to imported labour only a few weeks ago and got flamed for it.
As far as im concerned this is nothing new to this country and is only following a prescedent set 25 years ago. Whilst the newly out of school, unskilled Aussie bloke was waiting in line at DSS the new immigrant was earning a living in the lucky country doing the Aussie blokes job. This scenario was allowed to become common practice and has been gradually festering into what we have today. The only difference now is that we have a Government that has cleared the path to lay off good Aussie workers and bring in Foreigners. I'ts just a shame that it has gone this far before we have woken up to it, and for the next generation could prove to be financially crippling. Now instead of welcoming our new neighbours, we look sideways at them with contempt at their success at our own expense. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: perth
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yes tiz 100 employes how ever thats 100 per state ( coz it afects me n i work for a company that aust wide and bout 2000 workers or more but only 70 at my depo ) may be even work place |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Brisbane
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IMO, plenty of companies have been screwed by crappy staff for too long. I defy anyone on this forum to say they have never met people who take "liberties" from their employer be it in the form of sickies, laziness, stupidness, malliciousness or just plain theft or sabotage. At the same time we see an employer on ACA or TT every other day screwing their staff. One thing's guaranteed though, more staff screw bosses than bosses screwing staff through sheer weight of numbers.
It would be great if there was a rule that protected only good employers and good employee's, unfortunately, the worst of both have screwed us all. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Outback are you a union rep ??
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I'm going to spell something out. If people cannot discuss this properly then the whole subject will go the way of sexual/political/religious and other threads that people cannot post about ....
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Back in a Ford
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Central Australia
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I reckon IR will be added to that list shortly.
Leave a space for it just in case.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Brisbane
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Bad employee's deserve the rough end of the stick. I'm dead against the expansion of importing labour resources, we all know Aussie jobs need to stay here but at the same time, I believe business needs the flexibility and power to sack at will (note the boom in Sub-C & Temps pre new IR Laws). With our unemployment staying low at around 5%, I am confident in the Lib's approach and their commitment to keeping Aussies in jobs. Whilst I no longer own businesses, I'll add that the IR laws only promise to help rather than hinder me. |
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I tried to edit out the crap word and the context it was written, but by the time I got to work I couldn't do it......... sorry. Last edited by Outbackjack; 18-06-2006 at 10:16 PM. Reason: spelling again |
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With an issue like this you speak your mind very well and with passion. As a 20 year member of two unions, you sound like a rep and if your not maybe you should be. |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Alice Springs
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Employees need employers, employers need employees.... I think John Howard has forgoten this. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: QLD
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If I'm reading this correctly....Outbackjack..I think I know who you work for and if I'm right...be carefull in what you say they have eyes and ears everywhere. capiche!
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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I believe this is the case...contract....but their board and keep is part of the deal....however I've been out of the loop for a few years now...so could be wrong.
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And a lot more will follow!
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2005
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It's one of those situations. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
![]() However, as an employee, not an employer, I'm not a fan of the laws at all. I won't profess to be an expert, but I've seen enough to know that I myself, for my situation, do not like them. But my employer is an Aussie company who values their staff as their best asset - this is how every work place should be. If this was the case, in a perfect world, the IR laws wouldn't change anything at all really except make it easier to get rid of dud staff. However - money hungry companies, bad / dodgy management, and just plain pricks out there have shown just what damage these IR laws can do to hard working decent Australians. I don't blame employers for liking the new reforms, but I ask that they don't blame employee's for not liking them. Not all of us are lucky enough to be in secure stable work environments. I feel sorry for those hard workers who go un-noticed in massive companies and will probably feel at risk due to these new reforms. |
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