AU stopping power!!

**Stav** · 29-09-2005, 07:19 PM

Can anyone make suggestions for brakes on the au 1 wagon.I cant stop the car quickly.Its got me worried. The abs seems to let the car roll to far forward.Any help is welcome..it is a bit scary.

xr8ute · 29-09-2005, 07:36 PM

Time for better rubber Stav...those 205's are at their limit. Firm up the suspension too, it will stop the front end from 'diving', and transfer that energy to brakes/tyres instead.

Change your brake fluid every 12 months, and fit better pads i.e. Ferodo TD2000, Bendix Performax and so on...

Then if you rotors are getting chewed out too quick, swap in some DBA standard (the cost between std and slotted is not worth it IMO).

**Stav** · 29-09-2005, 07:39 PM

At 60 kmph and no throttle I jumped onto the brakes and it travelled for another 1.5 metres!! It didnt stop!??? Abs kicked in and no stop?

Racecraft · 29-09-2005, 07:58 PM

better tyres for starters, then look at some good pads and rotors.. No use doing the pads and rotors if the tyres are going to let go first

Kryton · 29-09-2005, 08:14 PM

EBC greenstuff is gonna help a bit.

29-09-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

EBC greenstuff is gonna help a bit.

can you get them for the AU

santoitaliano · 29-09-2005, 09:06 PM

okay...

change your pads to "Bendix Ultimate"
make a load of dust, but will allow you to stop on a ten cent piece...

Kryton · 29-09-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stampy

can you get them for the AU

yep. had them on mine and they were great. they dont need to 'warm up' like everyone carries on about, just use them as you normally would and you will be stopping before you know it.

FTGAutosalvage · 29-09-2005, 09:55 PM

just do the upgrade to AU2 brakes . much better twin piston calipers , larger rotors ect.

or we have a tickford brake upgrade for a series 1 for $1000

**Stav** · 29-09-2005, 10:34 PM

What differences are in the tickford brakes? Is it a matter of just doing discs /pads and calipers? I can do this my self if it does.

What does the au2 brake job entail...? Do they just bolt on. My mods are working great but I am afraid of the throttle due to the lack of stopping power.

parawolf · 29-09-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

What differences are in the tickford brakes? Is it a matter of just doing discs /pads and calipers? I can do this my self if it does.

What does the au2 brake job entail...? Do they just bolt on. My mods are working great but I am afraid of the throttle due to the lack of stopping power.

You could get a PBR upgrade from cebco brakes - most people that get them, swear by them... www.cebcobrakes.com.au

They will do a PBR twin piston set for about $3k which includes braided lines, calipers, 330mm discs, pads and fluid.

**Stav** · 29-09-2005, 10:47 PM

I wonder if I can buy a wreck xr6hp? Lsd 3.45 diff,ecu with adaptive shift,brakes...??I wonder How much it would go to?$1000?

parawolf · 29-09-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

I wonder if I can buy a wreck xr6hp? Lsd 3.45 diff,ecu with adaptive shift,brakes...??I wonder How much it would go to?$1000?

Well you'd have to find an XR6HP with the upgraded brakes - as the standard brakes were the same as taxi packs.

**Stav** · 29-09-2005, 10:53 PM

oh!! I must do something soon.

**Stav** · 29-09-2005, 11:14 PM

Thanks for the suggestions all.I think a trip to MrFord in Greenacre is on the cards.They should have heaps of spares for me there

kryzak260 · 29-09-2005, 11:43 PM

I would be very interested in your outcome and what you do etc, useless.

I have the S1 Fairlane that is currently stock and it worries me now. I cant think how bad they will be when i start getting more power...

FTGAutosalvage · 30-09-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by useless

What differences are in the tickford brakes? Is it a matter of just doing discs /pads and calipers? I can do this my self if it does.

What does the au2 brake job entail...? Do they just bolt on. My mods are working great but I am afraid of the throttle due to the lack of stopping power.

the tickford brakes are 330mm rotors & twin piston calipers.
they come with the tickford uprights & braided hoses.

the AU2/3 BA brakes require the lower arms,uprights and sway bar to be changed. we sell a few of these for conversions
price is $1650 with 300mm BA rotors & calipers we have 2 complete kits in stock at the moment.1 set from a BRAND NEW car.

$1000 for a wrecked AU XR6 i wish. try upwards of $3,000 unless its burnt and then it would be close to $1000

JC · 30-09-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by useless

At 60 kmph and no throttle I jumped onto the brakes and it travelled for another 1.5 metres!! It didnt stop!??? Abs kicked in and no stop?

Your brakes are not what worries me - it's the fact that you expect the car to pull up from 60 in less than 1.5m!? If you were stopped and then jumped on the brakes and it travelled 1.5m, I would be worried, but the fact that you were mving at 60, means that braking distance is around 20m.

Get the DBA slotteds, with Ferodo Pads on the front only and you will notice a huge difference. Do the backs as well, and the brakes are improved slightly again, but not as much as doing the fronts.

DBA or RDA slooted rotors range from around $100 - 130 per corner. Ferodo pads are around $130 a set (front and rear), so for around $650, you will greatly increase your braking ability. Based on those prices though, the $1k package from FTG Auto Salvage sounds like the go.

**Stav** · 30-09-2005, 12:59 AM

the salvage does sound good.Dba front slotted rotors have been recommended to me by someone already and so to dba pads.Sure beats not being able to stop if a kid or stupid driver decides that they want to be on the news that night. I think safety is paramount in my mind.....it hurts being hit by 2 trucks.

**Stav** · 30-09-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FTGAutosalvage

the tickford brakes are 330mm rotors & twin piston calipers.
they come with the tickford uprights & braided hoses.

Do they just bolt on?

**Mechan1k** · 30-09-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

You could get a PBR upgrade from cebco brakes - most people that get them, swear by them... www.cebcobrakes.com.au

They will do a PBR twin piston set for about $3k which includes braided lines, calipers, 330mm discs, pads and fluid.

Holy cow ... that's expensive.

I'll be getting 4-piston calipers and 330mm rotors with braided lines full fitted to the AU for half that price.

I am looking at selling my AU2 twin piston caliper setup soon when i fit the bigger brakes though.

jonbays · 30-09-2005, 09:18 AM

Stav this is a real issue in modding a Falcon.

With a wagon, ute & non IRS sedan the chassis and brakes become quite a limiting factor in the overall cars dynamics when you start to up the power by a reasonable level.

You look at the XR6VCT, T series and XR8's and they are a better basis for a high performance engine to start with. even then most of these models needed the brake option to make them suitable for any track work.

parawolf · 30-09-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Holy cow ... that's expensive.

I'll be getting 4-piston calipers and 330mm rotors with braided lines full fitted to the AU for half that price.

I am looking at selling my AU2 twin piston caliper setup soon when i fit the bigger brakes though.

where from? what product (calipers and rotors) are these all new or second hand? If it is new (direct comparison to the product I described) then a lot of people would be interested at that price! If it second hand, well - don't even bother comparing NEW vs second hand, of course it will be cheaper.

**Mechan1k** · 30-09-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by parawolf

where from? what product (calipers and rotors) are these all new or second hand? If it is new (direct comparison to the product I described) then a lot of people would be interested at that price! If it second hand, well - don't even bother comparing NEW vs second hand, of course it will be cheaper.

I am awaiting the kit to be put together.
FernTree Gully Autosalvage are putting together similar kits as well as Crescent Motorsport. When the details are finalised .. I'll post everything up on here.

So far there is a test kit on an EF (I think) Fairmont Ghia V8 in Sydney ... must have at least 17" wheels to fit these too.

As far as I know the calipers are sourced from Nissan Parts department ... but looking for a new supplier .... they were originally fitted to the R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R from memory. Parts are new though.

sickxr · 30-09-2005, 02:20 PM

About 2 weeks ago i put in some front DBA slotted rotors and Bendix Ultimate pads in my AU2 XR. They work wonders.... the only thing is all the break dust they make. I got them from repco on a trade account for only $320.

loxxr6 · 30-09-2005, 04:15 PM

The cebco package is impressive but damn pricey.

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FernTree Gully Autosalvage are putting together similar kits as well as Crescent Motorsport. When the details are finalised .. I'll post everything up on here.

I thought Joe @ Crescent did the brake conversions to series 2 already ?

**Mechan1k** · 30-09-2005, 05:05 PM

He has the Tickford twin-pots ready.
He is finding a new supplier (cheaper) for the calipers.
All other parts are made up for rotors (for both the EF/EL & AU).

I will be getting the 4-pots when they are ready for mass production ... in the meantime I might just get myself a set of Tickford twin-pot calipers and then sell them later when the 4-pots are ready.

vegabass · 30-09-2005, 05:34 PM

I have a set of Twin Piston AUII XR8 Front calipers and DBA slotterd rotors as well as the rear calipers and DBA rear rotors if any one is interested.
I have a EL and they dont fit that with out huge mods so i guess there up for sale?.......

**Mechan1k** · 30-09-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vegabass

I have a set of Twin Piston AUII XR8 Front calipers and DBA slotterd rotors as well as the rear calipers and DBA rear rotors if any one is interested.
I have a EL and they dont fit that with out huge mods so i guess there up for sale?.......

I think there is a difference with the stub axles ... there is a conversion kit as far as I know ... not sure where to get it from though.

buickman · 30-09-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sickxr

About 2 weeks ago i put in some front DBA slotted rotors and Bendix Ultimate pads in my AU2 XR. They work wonders.... the only thing is all the break dust they make. I got them from repco on a trade account for only $320.

I have used the ultimates . Besides the dust problem they chewed through the front rotors quick. I now use bendix advance which leaves hardly any dust & does not wreck the rotor so quick & still pulls up well. But I have IRS, Yokohama C drive 17" tyres & lowered springs with sportrider struts which help a lot in handeling & stopping.

Some guys spend money on performance on the engine to go faster only to leave the car with poor braking & nearly unroadworthy or secondhand tyres & stock suspension which are the main parts on saftey.

buickman