Ford gear box's in all V8 race cars ?????

GunmetalFox · 13-10-2011, 10:38 PM

Hey Guys,

Is it true that Holdens run ford gearboxs in their supercars aswell ??

Some dude was telling me about it the other day while i washed my ute.. was a pretty dodge looking guys so i thought id ask all the non dodgy looking dude hahahah.

And no im not a huge follower of the supercars aswell if you cant tell,

GTP owner · 13-10-2011, 10:41 PM

they are all Hollinger sequential boxes - a purpose built race part that is neither ford or holden (much like the rest of the vehicles)

GunmetalFox · 13-10-2011, 10:45 PM

There ya go learn something everyday...Not surprised they dont have much of there branded gear in them anymore, if they did theyd spend a fair bit of time in the pits haha thanks man

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 10:47 PM

Holdens run a Ford 9" Diff ive heard

4VCLEVO · 13-10-2011, 10:49 PM

They do both have a ford 9" diffs in them. May be he said gearbox but ment diff.

TS50 · 13-10-2011, 10:52 PM

So really Ford won Bathurst (well a FORD diff anyway)

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 10:54 PM

LOL thats so true TS50 if you look at it that way

FordFalconBF · 13-10-2011, 11:03 PM

Only true Ford Vs Holden racing it the utes.

RealChampionSup · 13-10-2011, 11:13 PM

Yeh its the Ford Diff, As much as Team Vodafone hate Ford and try not to reference the Ford brand, it is on their website under the car specs stating that it is a Ford diff

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 11:52 PM

So we can conclude if it wasnt for FORDS diff, Holden would never win races

No.6 · 13-10-2011, 11:54 PM

ill take those scraps as a win!

phillyc · 14-10-2011, 12:01 AM

Both makes run a Ford double wishbone style front suspension.

GMHolden got rid of their strut and took on the double wishbone on their race car, in exchange for Ford getting the undertray (ie an equal sized unit to the Commodore) they were denied during the AU era.

This was part of project blueprint.

They were also allowed to use Chev Aurora heads, which have non siamesed exhaust valves and with similar valve angle to the Ford Motorsport units. The complaint was that the Ford were too powerful.

So, you could say, run Ford style rear diff, Ford style rear suspension, Ford style front suspension, Ford style cylinder heads...

The supercars are nowhere near roadgoing / roadbased vehicles these days. Much closer to actual racers, but if you wanted to argue, they are closer to Ford than GM Holden.

FPVGT500 · 14-10-2011, 12:04 AM

You learn something everyday, didnt know that Ford helped GM Holden that much hahahaha

GunmetalFox · 14-10-2011, 12:31 AM

And apparently Ford arnt selling cars.. they could probably make a tidy profit making parts for Holden, theres a new sales pitch for ya "Holden built Ford tuff", hahahah

PHANTMXR6 · 14-10-2011, 12:37 AM

Geez, you guys are really clutching at straws..............

fou_bleu · 14-10-2011, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

Geez, you guys are really clutching at straws..............

After last weekends results, who wouldn't? :P

Iggypoppin' · 14-10-2011, 01:03 AM

9" diffs? I thought they had aftermarket diffs fabricated especially for the V8SC and simply based off the ford product? Not actually bearing much resemblance to the 9" of back in the day?
In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that? Geez all the Holden heads at work guff on about how awesome holdens are in the V8SC series yet don't realize the "holdens" racing(and the fords) bear nil resemblance to anything you can buy, except the badge and the shell.

PHANTMXR6 · 14-10-2011, 01:03 AM

Who wouldn't? Anyone who has staying power that's who.

Come on guys. A couple of off years and people arer looking for excuses?

Hang in there. Results will come.

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 01:08 AM

.............BUT, there is one very unique thing that the "holden" V8 S/C has - and that's the brain dead un-realistic morons / bogans that carry on about how good the red team is.....

Regardless of or un-beknown of the fact that there is actually more FORD stlye mechanical's in the vehicle =

Regardless of which V8 'SUPERFICIAL' CAR wins, at least when it's a FORD it's the real deal. So we can always be proud & true to have BLUE BLOOD, because it really is TRUE BLUE mate.

FPVGT500 · 14-10-2011, 01:21 AM

Exactly, even checked team vodafones site it does state it uses the Fords 9"

FPV GTHO · 14-10-2011, 01:28 AM

Ive seen teams list them simply as a Ford "Type" 9 inch.

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

9" diffs? I thought they had aftermarket diffs fabricated especially for the V8SC and simply based off the ford product? Not actually bearing much resemblance to the 9" of back in the day?
In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that? Geez all the Holden heads at work guff on about how awesome holdens are in the V8SC series yet don't realize the "holdens" racing(and the fords) bear nil resemblance to anything you can buy, except the badge and the shell.

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Exact copy of the Ford designed 9inch - so they do actually resemble the "old 9 inch from back in the day".....But yes, not a genuine Ford made or supplied diff - just an "aftermarket" made unit.

Also as for the "3%" question, you should edit out the "in fact" part of it - as this may be how rumors become gospel,

. Rule #1 = don't believe everything you read. Although maybe it could be said that the red team is 3% holden & 5% Ford,

Anyway, in years gone by, it's always been widely known by many that the best way to improve the overall performance of any holden product was to fit Ford parts. ( IE, 9 inch diff, toploader gearbox etc )..... So i guess this is no new revelation to see this similar occurance with the current V8 S/C's.

burnz · 14-10-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Thomas

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Exact copy of the Ford designed 9inch - so they do actually resemble the "old 9 inch from back in the day".....But yes, not a genuine Ford made or supplied diff - just an "aftermarket" made unit.

Also as for the "3%" question, you should edit out the "in fact" part of it - as this may be how rumors become gospel,

. Rule #1 = don't believe everything you read. Although maybe it could be said that the red team is 3% holden & 5% Ford,

Anyway, in years gone by, it's always been widely known by many that the best way to improve the overall performance of any holden product was to fit Ford parts. ( IE, 9 inch diff, toploader gearbox etc )..... So i guess this is no new revelation to see this similar occurance with the current V8 S/C's.

is that why a lot of ford's have chev engine's??

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 02:00 AM

i noticed at one stage there, the commentators were trying hard to start a trend of just calling them the red or blue teams. Was never going to stick - and fair enough, as no matter what, it's still a real Aussie tradition. And the cars will still always wear a Ford or holden badge on the front, regardless of what mechanicals are under the skin. ( as said before though, only 1 is really fair dinkim true blue ! )

In any case, next time some red moron makes some old worn out jab about the meaning of FORD - let 'em know what the real meaning of their sheep following is.......

HOLDEN = Hand On Little Duck Every Night.

Note = Avoidance of "inappropriate language" has been taken with the use of the fluffy DUCK above - so this could also be exchanged with......D for..... DOG !

( also LIMP in place of LITTLE is another good killer blow ).

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

is that why a lot of ford's have chev engine's??

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Are you asking a genuine question, taking the piz, or making a statement ?

Define "a lot".... Maybe you might be talking in competition use, ie= maybe drags or speedway etc ? As in street use, i would definately totally dis-agree with your assesment.

Just note also that i was refering to the wide use of those diff & gearboxes in the street holdens. ( As i'm sure the majority of those old enough would have already known excactly what i refering to. ) It was nothing un-usual to see a torana or HQ or similar holden to be running a 9 inch or toploader... Often driven by a Chevy engine as well. ( although we all know some late 60's / early 70's holdens came with factory chev engine ).

On the other side of the coin, it would have been very, very rare to see a street Ford with any holden mechanicals - let alone a complete chevy engine.
( At least that was the case living, driving & working in the auto industry in Brisbane in the mid 80's / early 90's, ie, true blue mate.)

smally289 · 14-10-2011, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that? Geez all the Holden heads at work guff on about how awesome holdens are in the V8SC series yet don't realize the "holdens" racing(and the fords) bear nil resemblance to anything you can buy, except the badge and the shell.

Even the shell on these things 'resembles' the road car. Park one side by side with it's road going cousin and check the wheel base.

K10wN · 14-10-2011, 05:18 AM

Very little in common with the factory released items. Dashpad and badge are the only true factory parts. Everything else is either modified or a racecar part.

I'd rather watch the utes, or the muscle car classics. GTP was once good to watch, but it's gone to the dogs too now.

aussie muscle · 14-10-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that?

i believe its the headlights and taillights.

also
the holden racecar is shorter than the commodore!

Jim Goose · 14-10-2011, 10:09 AM

It amazes me how a lot of people out there dont realise that the V8 super cars have nothing in common to the real road going versions they "resemble".

Even the panels are thinner/ lighter... they all run "control" tryes, brakes, suspension, diff, engines, wheels etc etc.. and next year i believe they will run a control roll cage.

This means that the V8s will be nothing more then a NASCAR type set up where its basically a roll cage with fake panels made to look like a roadgoing car.

The only real parts will be the badges....

The supercar circuit has been MORE about the driver then the cars as the cars are all set up to be more or less equal.

davenl5l · 14-10-2011, 10:16 AM

at least ours look real.nascars look like something a five year old made!!lol oh yeh it was good to see seton finaly win a race at bathurst and in a ford ha ha