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Old 15-07-2005, 10:21 PM   #31
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By the time the Windsor is breathing properly, the same money would have bought a 12/13 second turbo six set-up with much more potential.
Does that include the cost of having the turbo 6 engineered?

In my experience I've found the 8 to be cheap to insure, not bad on fuel and a better performer than most worked auto 6s in the E-series club except for a few. I've even beaten a turbo 6 on a few occasions :
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Old 16-07-2005, 02:36 AM   #32
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Does that include the cost of having the turbo 6 engineered?

In my experience I've found the 8 to be cheap to insure, not bad on fuel and a better performer than most worked auto 6s in the E-series club except for a few. I've even beaten a turbo 6 on a few occasions :
yes yes yes Better
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Old 16-07-2005, 03:49 PM   #33
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Yup thats right, my mate from school knew a guy who tested both the EF XR6 and XR8 around the track and down the 1/4 mile (for a magazine i think it was in 1995? or something) and the XR6 pulled up first both times. Its only the 185kw EL2 XR8 that gave the sixes a beating
An most of that was attributed to the 3.45 diff not the extra kws LOL! Good ole windors :nutsycuck
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Old 16-07-2005, 03:50 PM   #34
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Does that include the cost of having the turbo 6 engineered?

In my experience I've found the 8 to be cheap to insure, not bad on fuel and a better performer than most worked auto 6s in the E-series club except for a few. I've even beaten a turbo 6 on a few occasions :
I saw an EA Turbo today that would easily hose my 400HP BA ute and the hole setup cost him less than a second hand E-Series XR8. Wouldn't say I've ever seen a V8 provide that sort of bang for your bucks before.
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Old 16-07-2005, 04:42 PM   #35
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In the E series there shouldn't really be much question about it the XR6 was a better car all round, handling, performance the lot. The XR8 was slow and heavy and although still a nice car would not be the pick I would make.
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Old 29-07-2005, 11:02 PM   #36
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Mr sparkle I agree sixes back then where the way to go and My old man had a 200kw xr8 au2 auto that was a gutless wonder so I can imagine what the earlier versions are like. my MANUAL! key word te50 has awesome top end all the way up to a heady 6200rpm cutout. It also has twice as many kays as his old car.
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Old 27-08-2005, 04:42 AM   #37
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I Have Owned My Efii Xr6 From New.if You Are Going To Buy A Xr6 Make It A 5 Speed, As The Performance To The Auto Is Big. With 100000km On The Clock, My Stock Xr6 Gets Around 11l Per 100k City (with The Misses Driving) And Has Got 7.2l Per 100k On The Highway. My Father Used To Own A Xhii Xr8 185kw,a 5speed,a 3inch Exhaust And Just Over 100000km On The Clock. We Draged And The Xr6 Won Down The 1/4, Swap Cars And Dad Won In The Xr6 (with A Very Good Start From Me In The Xr8). Now He Drives A Ba Xr6!!!
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Old 27-08-2005, 12:00 PM   #38
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Ok, so lets throw up a hypothetical. You're building a car from the beginning with the goal of a 12 second timeslip and/or 300rwkw.

Starting point of I6 (well proven here on ff) or 8? What would you choose?
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Old 27-08-2005, 12:38 PM   #39
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Im in the middle of deciding if i should keep my turbo inline 6 fairmont wagon 5 speed 250rwkw or buy this sprint ed for sale in the trading post for 15k cause isnt a sprint a clevo and will be easier to mod for more rwkw's or buy el2 gli v8 really cheap 6k with only 140k on the clock.cant make up me mind!
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Old 27-08-2005, 01:06 PM   #40
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Sprints are Windsors, Clevos haven't been made since 1982.
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Old 27-08-2005, 01:15 PM   #41
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Sprints are Windsors, Clevos haven't been made since 1982.
are you sure ive got a australian modern motor magazine with the EBGT Vs VPGTS and they say the motor is a clevlend out of some ford truck in the states and i thought a sprint had the same motor?
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Old 27-08-2005, 01:33 PM   #42
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Nope all V8's EB-AU are windsors. The last clevo (bar 351 EAGT) was in the XE ESP.
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Old 27-08-2005, 02:21 PM   #43
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EA GT was a 351 Wheezer ;)

Ford made the same mistake in the sale broucher, they listed the Sprint engine as a Cleveland. But it's certainly not.
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Old 27-08-2005, 02:31 PM   #44
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After October 1997's update.. the EL got 185kW and 412Nm. By this stage, the XR8 was generally quicker then the XR6 every time.

Sorry to correct you Steffo, but ELII only had 402Nm.

Having 2 ELII XR8's and loving the looks of them, and the upgrades in handling, they are the pick of all E Series cars in my opinion.
My ute, with minimal mods can still hold its own with Gen III cars, due to weight. My sedan is just an amazing car, and even though its only just hit 80 000k I have never had a drama with it, and when we pulled the motor out, just for mor power, the bores were immaculate, bearings like new....

They seem to have held up well in resale too, and were only produced in relatively small numbers, so disirability will always be there....
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Old 27-08-2005, 11:09 PM   #45
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Ok, so lets throw up a hypothetical. You're building a car from the beginning with the goal of a 12 second timeslip and/or 300rwkw.

Starting point of I6 (well proven here on ff) or 8? What would you choose?
If you want a 300rwkw Windsor, you'd probably want an aftermarket block! Or a foundry in your backyard for making Windsor-spec blocks (I hear Holden is selling a foundry "slightly used, has some damage" for cheap)

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