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people all love to show off ...is it their low IQ or looking for a frill thats illegal .there is no answer( plenty of old responsible people go to burnout comps that wouldnt even know how to do one).
when i was younger i did burnouts with mates by the dozens on old back roads ...question is were we still stupid ,well most of society thinks so . in moranbah here they have in the last couple years sparked up the old burnout pad ,it is a great night out and all the young fellas i work with ( being cashed up youngens ) bought cars just for the burnout comps ,do they still let the odd 1 rip in their flash new cars or whatever on the road ....yep ,but i think it has dramatically reduced the amount . what gets me is why people need to rationalize everything the rest of the world does ,there are in my mind time and places and you can bet that it will never stop no matter what you do . but for the life of me i cant get my head around a government that doesn't and wont put in such amenities ,and i feel sorry for those that live in such an area ..
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An like 4vman has said some where on this forum the further enthusiasts can separate themselves from hoons the better . I think he is right if enthusiasts ever want to be taken seriously that needs to be done .
Lets face it building a drag venue will not make that blokes IQ any higher . The only quick fix solution is to ban all rwd and adequately powered vehicles . The strategy that government is using probably will work over time not the punishment side the side they use the media to make out you are a idiot for doing a burnout . So eventually they hope you will be embarrassed for dropping the clutch. But it would probly be quicker if the goverment applaued it . |
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Heres the straight dope because theres alot of dumb flying around in this thread.
There is currently NO operational drag strip in Adelaide. Not 3, not 2, not 1. None. Since Gazanats has left to go to Perth there are no burnout events in adelaide. A consortium is trying to build a track but the government are trying to block them. The track requires NO PUBLIC FUNDING. As to whether a track would ease street racing and burnouts, I am unsure, but what I do know is, removing peoples rights to property, draconian laws, harsh penalties, have not had any effect. If anything our road toll is higher since their inception. Thus it costs nothing to allow the consortium to build the track and even if it has no impact, its better then not trying anything except increasing penalties until its illegal to even drive on the bloody road. As to comparing this little static burnout to Troy Critchleys rolling burnout? Thats like comparing a shuttle launch to a bottle rocket. Drastically different power levels and speeds. Burnouts arent represented in traffic fatalities or even injuries in any significant levels. But dont worry, im sure someone here will bang his desk and ask me "what if it was your grandmother/daughter/dog/monkey/iguana/cousin/polar bear killed by a mad hoon doing a burnout in your loungeroom??!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN blah blah blah" And to such hysteria my reply would be. Meh. I still have a better chance of being crushed by a barely literate hindi taxi driver trying to park ontop of me in Rundle Street in a dented AU. They dont end up on today tonight though. Personally I dont see the attraction to burnouts, when you drive as much as I do, tyres are costly to replace. So in short. Less hysteria please.
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An off-street venue would give the genuine enthusiasts somewhere to go to separate them from the idiots. I know it wouldn't stop all the morons from doing it on public streets.
Taking cars and crashing them, will mean that those who lose them will buy bigger heaps of junk and use them, which will be more dangerous. Onto this thread, i agree completely with flappist's post on the first page. But again, a "burnout" or "hoon" thread and the same four or five members having the same damn argument.
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I do see that they need a complex for the SA enthusiasts, agree completely. I just think it needs to be clear that the presence of one will not stop that particular moron or his mates. They will not go to the time, effort or expense to go to a legal facility. Their attitude is anywhere is their facility.
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i'm very open and see all sides to every argument, i'm merely putting my opinion across, and i don't recall arguing this topic before?
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Huh, Gazzanats has left Adelaide????
No a drag strip may not stop steet burnouts but we still need a drag strip! Yes, there is way more dangerous things than a stationary Burnout.... |
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Triple J, 5:30pm on Friday (for the Hack program) there will be a balanced discussion about this whole "hoon" garbage.
I've been in contact with them via email offered a lot of information that is glossed over by the mainstream media and the politicians. They called me yesterday arvo and we chatted about the waste of time, resources and tax payer dollars that goes into marginalising and targeting "hoons". Raised topics like: - The value and size of the aftermarket industry (according to the AAAA) and how the laws were risking this $5b a year industry - There is yet to be a definition of "hoon" given by any government, so as yet 0% of accidents involved hoons under the eyes of the laws. Even without that, no one has presented any data showing the number of modified cars involved in fatal accidents. The fact is we are grossly UNDER represented in the road tolls. - The disparity between the punishments for drink driving and doing a burnout (repeat offending DIY don't have their car impounded etc) - The misuse of the defect system, which was brought in to keep unsafe (re: bald tyres, excessive rust etc) vehicles off the road. Again, with the stats... show us where modified cars are involved in more accidents than cars with under inflated tyres, bald tyres, worn steering and suspension components etc. - The waste of EPA resources chasing modified cars. If the governments were serious about pollution control and lowering emissions then business fleets would need to be "green" in order to be eligible for tax benefits. - The fact that the road toll has actually been steadily declining for the last few decades, as a percentage of cars on the road - The fact that speeding is used by governments as a tool to raise revenue through semantics - accident investigators can mark an accident with speed as "a contributing factor" even if the driver was in fact under the speed limit, but driving too fast for conditions. - The fact that the road toll would be reduced if all roads were maintains, cambered correctly ad without potholes, cracks etc to maximise contact patch of the tyres. - Also there is a complete lack of driver training to get your license etc... Looks like I might get some time on air to talk about this stuff... fingers crossed we can get the truth out there! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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This thread was def not trying to give an excuse for the dh that did a huge line locker in Adelaide the other day, but ask the question would he have if there was a legal place to do it? Yes, ppl would still do it on the streets but would it not reduce the amount that it happens on the street? Ppl might say -"It's too expensive to pay entry fees to do a burn out"... but at least its legal and dont you pay for tyres anyway? The problem is with a venue that would cater for this is that to work effectivly, they would have to be open all the time for whenever someone has the urge - ie. It wont work if its just open once a week....
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We need to be very careful to distance ourselves from "illegal burnouts" and legitimate, properly run motorsport like Drag racing and Circuit racing. I'm sure the majority of REAL genuine Drag racers and Circuit racers do not partake in this kind of illegal stuff on our streets. It serves absolutely no good purpose to "link" illegal stupid street activities with proper organized motorsport, in fact IMO by linking them it tarnishes an already fragile public image of drag racing and drag racers..... Build a drag strip to cater for proper organized drag racing, build a burnout pad or facility, im all for proper motorsport facilities, but don't try to push them as a solution to this kind of behavior or you end up guilty by association..... If you want wider public and political support you need a squeaky clean image....
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You can either accept the reality, or substitute it for your own self made reality. It wont be very effective, but im sure it will improve your rose coloured tinting.
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Or try to do the things that will improve public perception.... No skin off my nose, i have no interest in drag racing or burnouts, i do enjoy other forms of motorsport though and its disappointing that the image of the real motorsport enthusiasts gets tarnished by the D/H's.......
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Thank god for that, I was about to start my hunt for a cheap E series manual I6 that I could stick a cam in and weld the diff. ![]() I'm still holding out hope that one day me and my son can build a drag car together and race it at the Pt Adelaide Motorplex. (he's currently 6 months old) ![]() Back on topic, There is no excuse for doing a skid like that with innocent bystanders around, But it was a stupid mis-informed comment for Lowndes to make. |
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