Hyundai Ute to have TD I6 engine

[Franco Cozzo]

South Korean competitor to the mighty Thailand specials is going to have a turbo diesel I6:

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...d-ranger-77682

205KW/588NM Seoul Screamer

A step in the right direction

[Ben73]

But, but, what about fuel economy and less weight over the front end so it handles better. That's what we want I have been told.

[Franco Cozzo]

BMW needs to make a Thailand special competitor and use their 3L I6 B57 diesel engine - 293KW/760NM

https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/05/12/f...el-b57-engine/

Do a Mercedes, partner up with Ford Australia, grab a Ranger, Chuck a B57 in it and change the badge to a BMW one, job done

[marty351]

Franco, I think you have just found a new way to part rich bogans with their cash.

[Crazy Dazz]

The newly developed straight-six-cylinder turbo-diesel engine used in the GV80 has the choice of rear- or all-wheel drive,

Wow, what a revolutionary concept.

Mr Biermann said the decision to go with a straight six over a V6 layout was an easy one: "Unlike most other car makers, we still haven't figured out how to build a decent V6."

Mr Biermann conceded that the ute was in fact being developed by Kia, but pointed out that his version would have bigger wheels, to compensate for bogans' smaller penises.

[jpd80]

By the time this thing gets here, the next gen Ranger will be out. So the game wil change again and all the players will need to consider what equipment and power trains they offer.

If indeed the Koreans do front with a formidable package, it will be interesting to see who will be their immediate targets. Is it the soft middle ground where price is a huge consideration?
Interesting times ahead, those without a new fresh product may find the going really tough.

[Sprintey]

"Mr Biermann said the decision to go with a straight six over a V6 layout was an easy one.

“It makes the smoothest power. It’s very smooth. The vibrations are less,” he said. “This new platform was already considered with that engine.” "

Nice choice. It's a winning combo as we know here on the forums.

I6 + AWD, nice again. Imagine a wagon version to take on the MUX... Inline 6 turbo diesel, take note Toyota.

[BA-XT]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

"Mr Biermann said the decision to go with a straight six over a V6 layout was an easy one.

“It makes the smoothest power. It’s very smooth. The vibrations are less,” he said. “This new platform was already considered with that engine.” "

Nice choice. It's a winning combo as we know here on the forums.

I6 + AWD, nice again. Imagine a wagon version to take on the MUX... Inline 6 turbo diesel, take note Toyota.

For commercial / 4x4 applications couldn't agree more!!! I watch a YouTube channel specifically about Prados and they have a problem of cracking pistons. People put a chip in them then load them up with gear and tow a three tonne caravan..... it's a 2.7 tonne 4x4 to begin with. Same with the zd30 Granade issues..... it's a big heavy vehicle.

Any 4x4 vehicle that is used to carry weight or tow heavy should be fitted with a 6 cylinder engine. These 4 cylinder small capacity engines are getting over worked by people who should have bought a larger vehicle.

For general tradie gear weekend camping sure.... but chipping them, then adding weight and flogging them four wheel driving.... no wonder they go pop.

There's no replacement for displacement some times.

[TheInterceptor]

Very interesting, I wonder if this is the first dual cab that might have comfy seats and suspension. Impressive performance values, straight 6 is definitely a superior design over a v6. So far, im impressed.

Hyundai make awesome cars these days, I expect this to be decent vehicle but gee, do they really have to persist with that split light front end? Very much not a fan.

[351LTD]

Looking for replacement for my Mighty DMax ,it's been a Magic ute but with the caravan on the back it's a bit short on power when it sees a hill,have had a turbo Veloster before and had only Very good dealing when servicing etc,(unlike Ford,they never seem to learn)and 6 cylinder diesel !! If they get the pricing and reliability right they will sell heaps as per Isuzu who now need to up the Hp and ft lbs.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Very interesting, I wonder if this is the first dual cab that might have comfy seats and suspension. Impressive performance values, straight 6 is definitely a superior design over a v6. So far, im impressed.

Hyundai make awesome cars these days, I expect this to be decent vehicle but gee, do they really have to persist with that split light front end? Very much not a fan.

What's the bar for impressive performance values? To me the ones competing are just circle jerking around the 200KW/600NM mark, everyone's a couple of KW/NM away from each other like they've all decided on arbitrary cylinder, power and torque values and they all Bob around like turds in the bowl coming to the surface when there's too much toilet paper and it looks like she's gonna break the banks before finally flushing.

There hasn't really been anything knock it out the park since the release of the PX Ranger 9 years ago now - the PX was a generational change for Thailand specials.

We're getting excited over power figures our V8 large sedans had close to 30 years ago, sure these new diesels make more torque and use 70% less juice but it's not impressive by my standards, I'd class it more bare minimum.

This is a huge market for Australia and there's just token efforts from the big boys and the others aren't even on the map.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

BMW needs to make a Thailand special competitor and use their 3L I6 B57 diesel engine - 293KW/760NM

https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/05/12/f...el-b57-engine/

Do a Mercedes, partner up with Ford Australia, grab a Ranger, Chuck a B57 in it and change the badge to a BMW one, job done

Why would BMW cheapen their brand?. Leave that to Mercedes.

[CyberWasp]

I think we will have a better chance of Kia making a nice looking ute if it is based of the appearance of the Telluride.

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What's the bar for impressive performance values? To me the ones competing are just circle jerking around the 200KW/600NM mark, everyone's a couple of KW/NM away from each other like they've all decided on arbitrary cylinder, power and torque values and they all Bob around like turds in the bowl coming to the surface when there's too much toilet paper and it looks like she's gonna break the banks before finally flushing.

There hasn't really been anything knock it out the park since the release of the PX Ranger 9 years ago now - the PX was a generational change for Thailand specials.

We're getting excited over power figures our V8 large sedans had close to 30 years ago, sure these new diesels make more torque and use 70% less juice but it's not impressive by my standards, I'd class it more bare minimum.

This is a huge market for Australia and there's just token efforts from the big boys and the others aren't even on the map.

Its impressive as its coming from Hyundai who never really used to do anything "powerful" or large. The genesis ticks both those boxes and is a real nice machine and now there is this. Also what impresses me is the fact its a straight 6 not a V config. Other than that, based on this article, its just another dual cab.
Modern engines are sweet for performance compared to old tech. And 600nm is rather tasty although that depends how heavy the vehicle actually is and all of them in this segment are rather heavy which does blunten performance a lot. They need this output to move their fat asses along.
So really performance wise its not that impressive unless the vehicles weigh the same as old dual cabs circa 1600 1800kg.

None of the dual cabs really properly impress me properly yet (unless you wanna talk about American ones). Theyre stiff rough truck like vehicles with horrible seats and no real engine choices (not a diesel fan unless its a rigid or semi truck).
I agree Ranger is the best one of them all however. (Dad has one, awesome offroad, tows superbly, hate it for anything else. Ive put many km on it).
To me its just another fad like SUVs that one must endure till hopefully one day a decent station wagon with four wheels driving appears that isn't a diesel.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by BA-XT

There's no replacement for displacement some times.

But, but, but...juice bottles and hair dryers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Its impressive as its coming from Hyundai who never really used to do anything "powerful" or large. The genesis ticks both those boxes and is a real nice machine and now there is this. Also what impresses me is the fact its a straight 6 not a V config. Other than that, based on this article, its just another dual cab.
Modern engines are sweet for performance compared to old tech. And 600nm is rather tasty although that depends how heavy the vehicle actually is and all of them in this segment are rather heavy which does blunten performance a lot. They need this output to move their fat asses along.
So really performance wise its not that impressive unless the vehicles weigh the same as old dual cabs circa 1600 1800kg.

None of the dual cabs really properly impress me properly yet (unless you wanna talk about American ones). Theyre stiff rough truck like vehicles with horrible seats and no real engine choices (not a diesel fan unless its a rigid or semi truck).
I agree Ranger is the best one of them all however. (Dad has one, awesome offroad, tows superbly, hate it for anything else. Ive put many km on it).
To me its just another fad like SUVs that one must endure till hopefully one day a decent station wagon with four wheels driving appears that isn't a diesel.

You're aware Hyundai has a 320KW/510NM 5L V8 in production? It's used in the Equus and V8 Genesis that's not sold in our market.

But I understand the point.

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You're aware Hyundai has a 320KW/510NM 5L V8 in production? It's used in the Equus and V8 Genesis that's not sold in our market.

But I understand the point.

Nope But now I do! Thanks haha

Modern v8s are super efficient, be nice to see more make a come back.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You're aware Hyundai has a 320KW/510NM 5L V8 in production? It's used in the Equus and V8 Genesis that's not sold in our market.

But I understand the point.

Hyundai have been doing 'big and powerful' for ages - just because we don't get them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Love the older model Equus - they looked like something a gangster would drive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Equus

Or get driven in if you got the stretched limo version

I'm sure you could fit 3 bodies in that trunk... I mean boot

[ozpacman]

Hyundai might just know a thing or two about building decent size diesels...

https://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/hyun...39-513505.html

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

Hyundai might just know a thing or two about building decent size diesels...

https://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/hyun...39-513505.html

Now that is damn cool. Love it.


Im gunna wait and see what this ute is like before I palm it off with all the other ones.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Why would BMW cheapen their brand?. Leave that to Mercedes.

Why would you even take that seriously?

Might throw the sarcasm tag around a bit more often.

Mercedes sold their soul teaming up with a Japanese car company that makes junk aside from one halo car, using French engines.

Slap your badge on it, throw your own underpowered V6 TDI engine in it from the Sprinter and bobs your aunty mary.

Bingo - got cashed up boomers throwing spondoolies left right and centre to hold me the **** up on the road doing 70 everywhere with their $80,000 Nissan with a Mercedes diesel and $120,000 3500kg caravan slapped together by lowly paid monkeys in Campbellfield.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Why would BMW cheapen their brand?. Leave that to Mercedes.

Mercedes is a commercial vehicle manufacturer so I don't think it's cheapening the brand.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Mercedes is a commercial vehicle manufacturer so I don't think it's cheapening the brand.

Considering the the Benz Dualcab is just a (slightly modified) Nissan Navara, with a heap of Mercedes "Tax" attached to the Price. That very People are Buying. i reckon (My opinion Only) they have cheapened their Brand...

[Bossxr8]

Hyundai are working on a ute for the US market. The Santa Cruz concept version. Not a seperate chassis so it will be a pretty light duty ute. We won't see it here.

There has been no indication yet that they are even planning on doing a proper dual cab, seperate chassis ute to take on Hilux, Ranger etc.

Hyundai australia was pushing for it but all they kept saying was they are looking at it. Still all speculation at this point.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Considering the the Benz Dualcab is just a (slightly modified) Nissan Navara, with a heap of Mercedes "Tax" attached to the Price. That very People are Buying. i reckon (My opinion Only) they have cheapened their Brand...

The MB ute has been a complete failure. They have sold stuff all. BMW came out later on and said they would not be following suit, and were proven correct in doing that due to the MB's poor sales.

But in saying that BMW don't do commercial vehicles, where Mercedes do a lot of them.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The MB ute has been a complete failure. They have sold stuff all. BMW came out later on and said they would not be following suit, and were proven correct in doing that due to the MB's poor sales.

But in saying that BMW don't do commercial vehicles, where Mercedes do a lot of them.

Sprinter and Vito are some of the best LCV's in their segments.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The MB ute has been a complete failure. They have sold stuff all. BMW came out later on and said they would not be following suit, and were proven correct in doing that due to the MB's poor sales.

But in saying that BMW don't do commercial vehicles, where Mercedes do a lot of them.

Sprinter is a good package but in the USA Transit has the market
on a string.


All Ford has to do is put the 3.0 powerstroke in Ranger and Everest
and “all will be forgiven”, a lot more power and torque will give most
buyers what they’re missing, that almost petrol like quiet idle

[BAWITHLOT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

South Korean competitor to the mighty Thailand specials is going to have a turbo diesel I6:

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...d-ranger-77682

205KW/588NM Seoul Screamer

A step in the right direction

Will be worth it as it will have a 7 year warranty by 2023!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

Will be worth it as it will have a 7 year warranty by 2023!

What a lot of people don’t understand is that a seven year warranty only applies to a manufacturing defect that causes premature failure, you don’t get squat if the part is worn out.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by jpd80

What a lot of people don’t understand is that a seven year warranty only applies to a manufacturing defect that causes premature failure, you don’t get squat if the part is worn out.

That’s the same with every warranty, fair ware and tare are excluded