Vfacts January 2020

[BENT_8]

More of the same unfortunately.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...o-2020-122702/

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

More of the same unfortunately.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...o-2020-122702/

Actually with the change to how sales are reported for Vfacts we have to allow for a drop as the practice of adding "demo" models to the reported sales figures has been eliminated. Could explain the massive Holden and Hilux drops.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Actually with the change to how sales are reported for Vfacts we have to allow for a drop as the practice of adding "demo" models to the reported sales figures has been eliminated. Could explain the massive Holden and Hilux drops.

So now, they count actual sales instead of just registrations?
Good, It should even out sales in the long run as all demos are eventually sold.

Everest 490, a reasonable result considering current circumstances

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by jpd80

So now, they count actual sales instead of just registrations?
Good, It should even out sales in the long run as all demos are eventually sold.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/824240/...sales-results/

From article -

"But perhaps more relevant to this audience, the FCAI also commenced a new reporting process designed to stamp out the OEM and dealer practice of reporting cars as sold when they are not to hit stretch targets."

"This process compares data supplied by car companies with national registration databases."

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport 15
Ford Endura 129
Ford Escape 235
Ford Everest 490
Ford Focus 181
Ford Mondeo 19
Ford Mustang 258
Ford Ranger 4X2 178
Ford Ranger 4X4 2,446
Ford Transit Custom 164
Ford Transit Heavy 54
Ford Total 4,169

Overall Ranger sales were up on the same month last year.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport 15
Ford Endura 129
Ford Escape 235
Ford Everest 490
Ford Focus 181
Ford Mondeo 19
Ford Mustang 258
Ford Ranger 4X2 178
Ford Ranger 4X4 2,446
Ford Transit Custom 164
Ford Transit Heavy 54
Ford Total 4,169

Overall Ranger sales were up on the same month last year.

Keen to see Hilux figures.

Toyota just put through an adjustment to the figures sent to REVTRAC - the reasoning was there was a "shortfall in VFACTS reporting quantities for January." If the numbers weren't changed they would have been at about 15% market share.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.caradvice.com.au/824240/...sales-results/

From article -

"But perhaps more relevant to this audience, the FCAI also commenced a new reporting process designed to stamp out the OEM and dealer practice of reporting cars as sold when they are not to hit stretch targets."

"This process compares data supplied by car companies with national registration databases."

Ah, thanks for that. Still registrations but stopping auto companies
calling vehicles sold when they are not just to make sales numbers
look better than they are

[BENT_8]

They'll find ways around it, case in point this Focus ad.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mile...ack/1239474019

Zooper cars is a branch of the Stillwell group I believe, somehow they've managed to come across 40 near new Focus in a bulk buy, whats the chances that these all came from their Ford franchise.
Note the Km's on this one, its still a new car being sold through a used car yard.
How do you sell a new car through a non franchised outlet and why would you.
My money's on it being 'sold and registered' and then sent to the used yard to actually move.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by jpd80

So now, they count actual sales instead of just registrations?
Good, It should even out sales in the long run as all demos are eventually sold.

Everest 490, a reasonable result considering current circumstances

re Everest, what are the current circumstances ? economic ?
I'm just thinking on this sector - mid size SUV's if you call them that.
I sure wouldn't think 490 Everests is anything to crow about, sure some will say its the profit, combined with Endura @ 129 the Ford SUV figure is 619.
For such a huge catergry where Prado/Santefe etcetcetc are in can anyone get the the other mid size SUV figures for interests sake ?

For the record Endura is a far rippa looking product on the road compared to Everest but thats my opinion.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by FTE217

re Everest, what are the current circumstances ? economic ?

The circumstance being that Ford's SUVs are just so difficult to sell,
be that price, style or buyers just preferring Prado and other three row SUVs.

For the record Endura is a far rippa looking product on the road compared to Everest but thats my opinion.

It's just way more expensive than Kluger or even Acadia which are both three row.

IMO, Ford's plate clearance prices are more in line with where regular prices should be,
the moment buyers see those vehicles that are $6K-$8K dearer than other vehicles,
they're off the list no matter how good they may be. This is where zero km demos come in....

[Brazen]

Endura is fantastic. Would be seriously tempted if it came in petrol, some great deals on ST Line undriven demos in yards.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The circumstance being that Ford's SUVs are just so difficult to sell,
be that price, style or buyers just preferring Prado and other three row SUVs.

It's just way more expensive than Kluger or even Acadia which are both three row.

IMO, Ford's plate clearance prices are more in line with where regular prices should be,
the moment buyers see those vehicles that are $6K-$8K dearer than other vehicles,
they're off the list no matter how good they may be. This is where zero km demos come in....

When you bring new product to market, setting a price point is driven by a lot of things, and where it ranks on vfacts data is likely not near the top of the list. They don't care how many people discuss it on a forum.

Also, once they set a price, it can only go one direction, and it's very rarely up. No doubt they'll see how it goes for a while and then gauge whether or not it is meeting internal targets and if not, whether to value add or drop the price.

They would have a minimum price they need to sell for to make it worth their while putting them on the boat. If they can't sell them for that figure, Australia just misses out. They won't give them away.

We are little island with very little demand for product in the big scheme of things.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by FTE217

re Everest, what are the current circumstances ? economic ?
I'm just thinking on this sector - mid size SUV's if you call them that.
I sure wouldn't think 490 Everests is anything to crow about, sure some will say its the profit, combined with Endura @ 129 the Ford SUV figure is 619.
For such a huge catergry where Prado/Santefe etcetcetc are in can anyone get the the other mid size SUV figures for interests sake ?

For the record Endura is a far rippa looking product on the road compared to Everest but thats my opinion.

BIL just picked up a Everest in the last few weeks, was a "demo" as he said, with about 500 ks on the clock, funny thing was he said there was a number of "demo" in different colours available, main thing was he saved a fair bit of $$ compared to a new o ks model

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by FTE217

re Everest, what are the current circumstances ? economic ?
I'm just thinking on this sector - mid size SUV's if you call them that.
I sure wouldn't think 490 Everests is anything to crow about, sure some will say its the profit, combined with Endura @ 129 the Ford SUV figure is 619.
For such a huge catergry where Prado/Santefe etcetcetc are in can anyone get the the other mid size SUV figures for interests sake ?

For the record Endura is a far rippa looking product on the road compared to Everest but thats my opinion.

Build rates for Everest are apparently low numbers. So spreading over the Asian markets I wouldn't expect much than what your seeing.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Build rates for Everest are apparently low numbers. So spreading over the Asian markets I wouldn't expect much than what your seeing.

You can bet that Everest has missed a lot of internal marks inside Ford
it was benchmarked against the Prado but looks too much like a Ranger S/W
hence Toyota's eagerness to add Hilux based Fortuner to Prado as a point of
differentiation.....

IMO, this why 490 sales of Everest in any month is a major accomplishment for Ford,
a Ranger nose on an Everest is unbecoming especially when the starting price is up
near $50K, people look at Everest and just go buy a crew cab Ranger, it it doesn't even
get to a comparison with other SUVs.

Sorry if that's seen as an insult to Everest owners but I think you all deserve something
that's styled better than just a Ranger S/W and clearly, so does the market here and abroad.

[Syndrome]

It is the bushfires fault. The corona virus fault. Global warming's fault. Nancy Pelosi's fault.

[Hemihunter]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

It is the bushfires fault. The corona virus fault. Global warming's fault. Nancy Pelosi's fault.

What Wait , you didnt blame Trump ???

[anobserver]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

What Wait , you didnt blame Trump ???

Philip Lowe has my vote.

[whynot]

My question is ... does it really matter these days?

Australia has next to zero local car manufacturing. So the swings in buyer consumption is worn by overseas manufacturers. Ask any car salesperson, and they will swear that at that price, they are not making any money on the car So, they are not loosing (or winning).

On the flip side, if consumers are not buying new cars, then they would have to be spending more on maintenance (and in turn generating local employment) keeping the cars on the road. The local Dealer should be making a few more bucks flogging spare parts at ridiculous prices.

If anything, it appears that the "automatic stabilizers" in the Australian dollar, the taxation system, and new car sales is just doing its thing.

[Syndrome]

If MG, Haval, LDC and Great Wall sales are combined, 2.3% of cars (or 1 in 44) sold last month were made in China.

[Syndrome]

January 2020 is the lowest January figure since what year? I can't find any numbers before 2011.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by prydey

When you bring new product to market, setting a price point is driven by a lot of things, and where it ranks on vfacts data is likely not near the top of the list. They don't care how many people discuss it on a forum.

Also, once they set a price, it can only go one direction, and it's very rarely up. No doubt they'll see how it goes for a while and then gauge whether or not it is meeting internal targets and if not, whether to value add or drop the price.

They would have a minimum price they need to sell for to make it worth their while putting them on the boat. If they can't sell them for that figure, Australia just misses out. They won't give them away.

We are little island with very little demand for product in the big scheme of things.

Thanks jpd80 answering my post.
prydey, yer we know about setting a price.
Better up than start low But Everest was a new player in a very strong segment.
Forgetting prado love to know the numbers of the other main sellers.
Everest has been here Long enough in market, I find its numbers not much to boast about.
Sure they may be banking some profit, I bloody well hope so but you need turn over in your dealers, one sale leads to another % wise.
Manymany companies have other sources lurking forums etc daily believe me.
I was just somewhere in dealer land the other day and the head salesmen was advised of a problem online - they were informed to nip it on the bud pronto, with offer to repair at N//C.
Rangers combined are over 2500 units in a low month, how many of those buyers consider Everest/Endura for the wife ? but she ends up in a Toy/Mazda/Kia/Hyundai.
Its priced too high.
Endura imo is one of their better SUV's in a long time, (pity no petrol) < this could be part of its drawback should be pumping out.
We sure are little but every business needs to keep turning over, soem do it much better than others.

[naddis01]

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/vfa...p-selling-4x4s

Everest was the 3rd best selling 4x4 wagon in January according to the link. Behind all the 4x4 utes obviously.

[Sprintey]

Economic cycles go down as well as up even though ours has gone up for 30 years now. China shuttering factories, Hyundai has shut theirs too. We are about to see how much resilience is built into the global JIT form of industry. So many macro indicators have been slowing globally (including the repo madness), the CV is the coup de grace. 50 to 100Mn people quarantined, that's something unprecedented. Less car sales when all are imported = less funds going offshore. Less coal demand = less income, less tourism = less income. More time for veggie garden and to smell the roses or fire up the old 302.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Economic cycles go down as well as up even though ours has gone up for 30 years now. China shuttering factories, Hyundai has shut theirs too. We are about to see how much resilience is built into the global JIT form of industry. So many macro indicators have been slowing globally (including the repo madness), the CV is the coup de grace. 50 to 100Mn people quarantined, that's something unprecedented. Less car sales when all are imported = less funds going offshore. Less coal demand = less income, less tourism = less income. More time for veggie garden and to smell the roses or fire up the old 302.

While we've never been in recession for 30 years, recovery since the global financial recession
has been much slower than America, our All Ordinaries index is only just getting back to pre-GFC
levels while the US Dow Jones index is now double it's pre-GFC level. So this is why our politicians
bragging about such a long run of growth are not telling us whole truth, just a version that suits their
economic policy and not necessarily for the good of the broader market. We have missed out on a
lot of growth that has happened elsewhere since the GFC and now we're basically stagnant.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

While we've never been in recession for 30 years, recovery since the global financial recession
has been much slower than America, our All Ordinaries index is only just getting back to pre-GFC
levels while the US Dow Jones index is now double it's pre-GFC level. So this is why our politicians
bragging about such a long run of growth are not telling us whole truth, just a version that suits their
economic policy and not necessarily for the good of the broader market. We have missed out on a
lot of growth that has happened elsewhere since the GFC and now we're basically stagnant.

All true, from what I can gather we've used the exchange rate and policy changes to weather the storm, never went through the GFC others did. The growth around these parts has been spectacular though, floated upon 125,000 worth of new housing.

The higher exchange rate didn't help our manufacturers when China stimulated post-GFC, now it has adjusted lower somewhat I'd figure they would be more competitive.

All this was done without firing the QE type programs that other countries did (possible exception the Rudd Dollars for Xmas, 2008 I think). We have yet to print out of thin air to "fix things". And in that printing lies the meteoric rise of the Dow - you can neatly correlate it or the SP500 to the size of the Fed's balance sheet.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

All true, from what I can gather we've used the exchange rate and policy changes to weather the storm, never went through the GFC others did. The growth around these parts has been spectacular though, floated upon 125,000 worth of new housing.

The higher exchange rate didn't help our manufacturers when China stimulated post-GFC, now it has adjusted lower somewhat I'd figure they would be more competitive.

All this was done without firing the QE type programs that other countries did (possible exception the Rudd Dollars for Xmas, 2008 I think). We have yet to print out of thin air to "fix things". And in that printing lies the meteoric rise of the Dow - you can neatly correlate it or the SP500 to the size of the Fed's balance sheet.

The two national debts have increased since 2011
USA $14.3 Trillion to $23.16 Trillion…....…61.9% increase
Australia $250 Billion to $551 Billion,........100% increase

[Poetic Justice]

The new FCAI policy means they only acknowledge registered vehicles as being sales. If a dealer registers demonstrators either out of need or for target achievement, then those vehicles will count (so long as they were registered.)

Despite the comments about Toyota, they have probably been the best at reporting figures over time - dating back to when I worked at a Toyota dealer 06-14, you always had to ensure vehicles were registered by the last day of the month (probably from about 09-10 onwards.) - this is aligned with new FCAI policies.

As far as seeing demos being sold in used car yards, this makes a whole lot of sense once it was mentioned it was an Eagers/AHG type of dealership - I imagine this would be common practice in the bigger dealer groups.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

2011 - current Explorer is perfect, it more than fills the space Territory left in the line up. The only thing wrong with it is there’s no split tailgate feature, but everything else about the car is spot on. But alas, MoFoCo have no plans to make it RHD and no aftermarket company is remotely interested in doing an RHD kit or compliancing for Australia. Would love to get a secondhand Explorer PPV ($6k usd they go for) and graft the body onto a local territory floorpan and register it as a Territory

How many inches would you cut out of the Explorer body to fit the Territory chassis? The Explorer positively dwarfs it. I've seen them both side by side and Explorer is Landcruiser size.

Or extend the Territory chassis?

[Sprintey]

ETD 'Explorer Type Design'

They have done it before with the Lincoln Type Design