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Da Shifty One
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: May 2006
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WQ Fiesta ST. Wow! thanks for the link, Damo.
Holy cow! 199kph. I wished that he dropped the "Pirates of the Carribean(sp?)" sound-track and just let us hear the 2.0l Duratec engine! OH Christa indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEHefsmRWb4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_VvrZIdr5w Last edited by HyperKid; 05-09-2006 at 08:40 PM. |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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sounds like the end of a god damn porno movie after he turns off....
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Clio 182 CUP!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Inner West, Sydney
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What aren't Ford Aust missing?
Maybe they should have a 1.4L Fiesta, the Zetec S, the ST... and then moreeee XR5Ts and some 3 door Focus too. Nice vid though! Stupid speeds on what seems like a normal road though...
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Teki the reason the 1.4 isn't in Australia is because no one will buy it. People already complain the 1.6 is underpowered and your asking for less power?
We already have the Zetec S it just doesn't have the bodykit. XR5 is a worldwide supply problem But yes 3 door focus would be very nice
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Join Date: May 2006
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I guess there's always be market for a 1.4-litre Fiesta. It can compete with 1.4-litre Getz and 1.3-litre Yaris YR.
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Can't do that in Australia as all the speed traps I have seen don't register speeds above 117 km/hr.
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GRRRR.....
Join Date: May 2005
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I always knew white ones went faster.....
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Impressive...
Join Date: Oct 2005
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i think there may be a marke for the 1.4ltr fiesta but only if it was priced at 13990 plus ORC's
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Clio 182 CUP!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Inner West, Sydney
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It would compete even better with the Yaris, Getz and Jazz... as it would have a cheaper, more economical model - the 1.4L. Never said I'd buy it, so whether it is underpower or not doesn't bother me. The Zetec S has a Turbo Diesel model too. We don't have that. The Bodykit and Rims are different, as are the seats and dash colour. Also the badging obviously ![]() XR5T - as above, make more or just export us some ST models... whatever we can get. I hate to think the fact our model is 'personalised' for Australia means Germany can't be bothered making them, as they sell more STs to UK. And yes, a 3dr Focus would be cool. ![]()
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it would bring down the status of the fez imo... the ST is the "halo" car and having the 1.4 doesnt really add anything new to the market... if ppl want a cheap fez they can buy an LX, if they want to spend a bit more and get a sporty one they can have the ztec, and if they are stupid they can waste their money on a giha...
the fez is superior to the Getz etc already so theres no need to lower the standards to compete on price.... my 2 cents... ps: <on topic>cool clip!
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The yaris has 80KW, Getz has 70kw and Jazz has 61kw. A 1.4L fez will have 55kw so it will be the least powerful of the lot. With a negligable difference in fuel economy its not worth the time or effort. The Fiesta was priced at 13,990 before but did that make people come and buy them? NO
Turbo Diesel maybe. Mechanically we have the Zetec S here. XR5T there is only 1 factory equiped to make the Focus ST. Its running at capacity and obviously demand isn't large enough to warranty the investment in another production line. Everyone has a shortage of these cars, why would germany give preference to Australia? P.S Just becuase people have different opinions to your own doesn't make them wrong you tool
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Clio 182 CUP!
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Um, You started talking about bodykits etc, not me. So, the Zetec S isn't our Zetec. We just have the same engine and transmission (and I think suspension). Yea, but they could MASS PRODUCE one ST model, meaning they might be able to product MORE STs with greater efficiency
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The Yaris has two models, a 1.3L with 63kW and a 1.5L with 80kW. The Stat's you quoted for the Jazz (1.3L, 61kW) and Getz (1.4L, 70kW) are correct. The Fiesta 1.4L is a 59kW engine (you quoted the 1.25L Fiesta's engine)... see where I'm heading? It would obviously compete with the Jazz and Getz... hence increased sales due to lower entry level prices The low price the Fiesta sold for in the past was due to the poor sales results of the Fiesta WP. The WQ has been a major improvement in sales... but still needs something more. The 'european' price has been a problem. The 1.4L could solve that problem!
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------------- Steven 'In fact, so good is the Clio 182 with the Cup chassis set-up that I feel moved to make a bold statement - I think it's the best hot hatch ever built.' (EVO Jan 04) Last edited by Teki04; 06-09-2006 at 05:53 PM. |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Perth, WA - NOR
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Settle down ladies... theres no reason you can't both be wrong....
just jks... <*goes back into corner*>
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Teki unless Ford can get another assembly line running at near capacity for the ST it won't be economical to produce it. If you don't understand why I recommend you learn about microeconomics.
Fair enough the Yaris has a 63kw engine. The Fez 1.4 is still less powerful and yes I got the power wrong but that doesn't change the fact that its the least powerful of the lot. The fiesta was RELEASED at 13,990 it had nothing to do with the sales.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Pieoter, remember WP LX didnt have A/C equiped as standard. That option was like $1500-2000.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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It was a $2000 option
![]() But Tek said this low price was to do with sales. I mearly showed this price was set before the sales of the WP were known I'll stop posting here to avoid a flamewar
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--sigh-- I dunno im confused.
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Clio 182 CUP!
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Come on - I thought you'd know more about engines then just kWs. The Jazz 1.3L has 119Nm @ 2800rpm Yaris 1.3L with 121Nm @ 4400rpm And the Getz 1.4L with 126Nm @ 3200rpm Yettttttt, the 1.4L Fiesta has 124 Nm @ 3500rpm So, that doesn't make it the WORST engine, does it? Hence, I'm sure it would be able to easily compete with them! Quote:
Penetration Pricing, which is associated with new products. Usually used to undercut the competition to gain market share quickly, and then increase prices later once consumers are brand loyal. So that would explain why the price was so low - sales were low, and they obviously had to increase sales and market share. Now though, sales are booming (well, for the Fiesta compared to the WP). So, if we did have a 1.4L, the price could again be cheaper... and wait for it; MARKET SHARE/SALES WILL BE HIGHER. Cheers
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MAYBE.. ford doesn't want to get into the entry level market?! i wonder why;..... Profit!! ? I don't think the cost of a 1.4 by the time hits our dealers would be that much cheaper that the 1.6s... The jazz, gets, yaris.. come from asia. and are made cheaply and are cheaper to transport here... Quote:
i don't think buyers at this kind of price point would be brand loyal..(if they can save 2-4 grand they will) So yes ford can enter this market.. and possibly sell alot of fiestas.. but it might not be worthwhile.. Whats stopping hyundai toyota and honda from cutting there pricing as soon as the fiesta is annouced.. alot of factors could go towards this descisions and big execs get paid **** loads to make those decisions and ultimately and unfornuately the cars that are available to us is ditacted by mr fords wallet.. ![]()
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Car factories run a near capacity to begin with (To do with economies of scale AND diseconomies of scale). Production has been set at the most benefical level so to build more ST's you will need to get another production line online. Another production line is big $$$ and you arn't guaranteed it will be used after production of thr ST ceases. You say they should reduce product variations, So should we just get rid of the LX so we can get some more ST's? Don't think so. I don't know exactly how ford have production setup so we shouldn't speculate.
We did I say anything about the 1.4 being worse? I said it was the least powerful. The torque figures are very similar across the board. But its KW the average joe is interested in. Ford did NOT use penetration pricing. Did they increase the price of the fiesta after a few months on the market? NO. so by default they didn't use Penetration pricing. Even now the price is the same as the WP (if you take aircon being standard into account). Take you stupid stupid penetration pricing argument and shove it up your ****.
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maybe they should start making the fiestas in China to bring costs down?
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Focus Rookie
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i reckon u should have
1.4L at 13-14grand zetec at 17-18 st at 24-27 ![]() and thats it!
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You ***t's are boring the S*** out of me.......
Pie, why do you have to argue with Teki all the time? ![]() Kiss and make up boys.. |
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Clio 182 CUP!
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Pie,
You said the Fiesta was $13,990 when first released? I know in Late 04 they were $14,490 for a WP LX.... so, Penetration pricing it seems? Do you not understand Efficiency? Why do you think certain brands 'simplify' the production line? The less models the factory has to produce, the more efficient it becomes. The more parts changed, the more time is used during the production to make sure everything is co-ordinated. With the 1.4L.... even then the kW loss isn't too much... it is probably like the 1.6L we have, a little underpowered (kW wise) but great with torque.
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i was gonna say something..
but nah.. im stayin out
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Clio 182 CUP!
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*edited*
Simon likes to re-think his posts :sm_headba
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