Common misconceptions

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

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Turbo's were invented by the Japanese

I love this one. The first turbocharged car was the 1962 Oldsmobile F85 "Turbo Jetfire".

So infact it was the yanks that started it all........
















GM actually.

[388cube_edxr8]

Actually I'm pretty sure the turbo came from way before 1962. I remember a doco with Richard Hammond in it. Apparently it was invented around 1918 by a European racing driver, as a one-off design for his race car.

Actually, it may have been 1928. Or 1938.

Ages ago.

[388cube_edxr8]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

Actually I'm pretty sure the turbo came from way before 1962. I remember a doco with Richard Hammond in it. Apparently it was invented around 1918 by a European racing driver, as a one-off design for his race car.

Actually, it may have been 1928. Or 1938.

Ages ago.

Found it. Marsell Renault, in 1902, fitted a home built turbo to his race car.

Youtube Link

Start watching at about 9 mins in.

[JimNiki]

to the mods ... what's going on?
This post is called "Common misconceptions".
This opens the door for a lot of BS.
Then I make a condom joke in reply to another posters comment ...
All in the name of a bit of a laugh in the "pub".

so far so good ...then I get banned for being off topic!
Guys, I do get it ...but sheesh ...lighten up a touch!

ok, hit me now ...I'm ready ... seeya Friday guys...

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

Found it. Marsell Renault, in 1902, fitted a home built turbo to his race car.

Youtube Link

Start watching at about 9 mins in.

Theres conflict with that, or at least some form of limitation to the claim.

According to Borg Warner it was 1925 before the first successful use in motor racing. I do note it says successful, not just use. The shipping industry had used turbo chargers in 1905. Daimler Benz apparently looked into it in 1885 and 1896 (Ill bet the horse wasnt happy) . Either way, it wasnt the Japs or the Yanks.

They do say the first passenger and mass produced car was a GM in the 60's.

http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/product...erHistory.aspx

Originally Posted by JimNiki

to the mods ... what's going on?
This post is called "Common misconceptions".


so far so good ...then I get banned for being off topic!

The thread says "car specific".

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Theres conflict with that, or at least some form of limitation to the claim.

According to Borg Warner it was 1925 before the first successful use in motor racing. I do note it says successful, not just use. The shipping industry had used turbo chargers in 1905. Daimler Benz apparently looked into it in 1885 and 1896 (Ill bet the horse wasnt happy) . Either way, it wasnt the Japs or the Yanks.

They do say the first passenger and mass produced car was a GM in the 60's.

http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/product...erHistory.aspx



The thread says "car specific".

I remember reading (or being told) that the first turbo chargers were used in aeroplane engines. Reason was they counter acted the lower air pressure as you went up.

Use it on the ground, and it increased the pressure above what you would find on the ground.

Sounded semi plausible. Could be wrong of course!

[Bad Bird]

They were used in a few WW2 warbirds. The most famous of those being the P39 Airacobra, the P47 Thunderbolt and the P38 Lightning.

They were not, in the case of the P47, used to produce boost. As you correctly pointed out, they were instead used to counteract the decrease in atmospheric pressure at high altitudes. The turbocharger outlet was then routed through an intercooler, and then to a centrifugal supercharger. The supercharger was the device used to produce boost in these engines. Notably the term 'intercooler' comes from it being situated inbetween the turbocharger and the supercharger.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

It took until the Adventurer/Avalanche/Crewman/Coupe 4 for Holden to build a 4wd Commodore. There were some VL prototypes (up to 10?) built using R32 GTR components.

There were no prototype vl dunnydores with gtr components. That was a mechanic's workshop job. One was produced, and he was willing to sell some of the engineering to other commdore enthusiasts who wanted to copy what he did. I have the original article and a follow up one around home somewhere

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I remember reading (or being told) that the first turbo chargers were used in aeroplane engines. Reason was they counter acted the lower air pressure as you went up.

Use it on the ground, and it increased the pressure above what you would find on the ground.

Sounded semi plausible. Could be wrong of course!

Turbochargers that are used on small piston aircraft to maintain manifild pressure are commonly refered to as normalisers.

Their job is to allow the engine(s) to produce the same power at altitude as it does at sea level.

There is not a lot of air in the air up there........

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by GTP owner

There were no prototype vl dunnydores with gtr components. That was a mechanic's workshop job. One was produced, and he was willing to sell some of the engineering to other commdore enthusiasts who wanted to copy what he did. I have the original article and a follow up one around home somewhere

Happy to be corrected.

I knew that there was a Gibson Motorsport connection but I thought that there was a GM connection in there somewhere (did he start off with a complete VL or a rolling chassis?)

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

a few I've heard over the years;

FWD will always be faster in drags (that one seemed to pop up after the first Fast and Furious movie)

Turbo's were invented by the Japanese

Hilux's are unbreakable

Camry's are made in Japan

Here's one of the most common misconceptions on this forum - you need to use an apostrophe to pluralise a word.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

Here's one of the most common misconceptions on this forum - you need to use an apostrophe to pluralise a word.

Turbo as in a colloquial reference to smaller Japanese cars. Therefore proper noun and apostrophe thanks grammar police

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

Turbo as in a colloquial reference to smaller Japanese cars. Therefore proper noun and apostrophe thanks grammar police

The context of the above apostrophes are mostly incorrect. They imply plural, not ownership or omission (abbrebviation).

The turbo's too small for that engine - is correct.

The turbos don't work properly - is correct

Turbo's (as in a proper noun, ie, the name of a car) exhausts are too noisy - is correct.

Turbo's were invented by the Japanese - is in fact technically correct (but would not be a common usage), because it's an abbreviation of turbochargers.

The other statements are incorrect due to the use of the apostrophes.

Also, it's punctuation, not grammar.

Thank-you.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

The context of the above apostrophes are mostly incorrect. They imply plural, not ownership or omission (abbrebviation).

The turbo's too small for that engine - is correct.

The turbos don't work properly - is correct

Turbo's (as in a proper noun, ie, the name of a car) exhausts are too noisy - is correct.

Turbo's were invented by the Japanese - is in fact technically correct (but would not be a common usage), because it's an abbreviation of turbochargers.

The other statements are incorrect due to the use of the apostrophes.

Also, it's punctuation, not grammar.

Thank-you.

Your welcome

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

Happy to be corrected.

I knew that there was a Gibson Motorsport connection but I thought that there was a GM connection in there somewhere (did he start off with a complete VL or a rolling chassis?)

I can't remember, but there was a fair bit of home engineering nous involved. I think the engine was a Gibson motorsport unit> There were also a fair few custom designed bits and pieces to get it working like it should. I would have loved to build a copy...but turned to the blue oval before then

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

Your welcome

Brian is writing graffiti on the palace wall. The Centurion catches him in the act]
Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, "Romans go home. "
Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
Brian: Er, "Romanus" !
Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?
Brian: Er, er, "Romani" !
Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" !
Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt".
Centurion: So, "eunt" is...?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go".
Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...?
[He twists Brian's ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" !
Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" !
Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, "Domum" !
Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

[xisled]

* Give way to all traffic on the right of the roundabout. The amount of people I drive with who still stop dead at the line to allow an approaching car on the right way is worrying. The 'first in, best dressed' law has been in for many, many years now.

The reason why you still need to give way to the right at a roundabout is, that if you have an accident with a car that is on your right, they have deemed to have travelled the greater distance thereforein theory they were in the roundabout longer, due to traveling further. We all know speed does change this, but In a car accident when it comes down to liability, unless the police have investigated the speed, there is no way to prove speed.



* From what I have been told, seating 6 in a car with 5 belts is legal, providing all other belts are used. (Say, 4 on the back seat, 2 at the front).


There was an accident in Melbourne about 2 years ago, and the car was over loaded. From memory there was 8 people in the car. The driver was not charged for overloading the car, as all seat belts had been used. The police chief even got on the news at the time and said, they could not do anything as all seat belts were in use. I think they changed the Victorian law then.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Ducati888

Brian is writing graffiti on the palace wall. The Centurion catches him in the act]
Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, "Romans go home. "
Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
Brian: Er, "Romanus" !
Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?
Brian: Er, er, "Romani" !
Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" !
Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt".
Centurion: So, "eunt" is...?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go".
Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...?
[He twists Brian's ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" !
Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" !
Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, "Domum" !
Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
Brian: Yes sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
Centurion: Hail Caesar ! And if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

And they reckon that barbarians not latin grammar caused the destruction of the Roman Empire..............

P.S. Coitus ergo sum....veni vidi velcro....

[NeillNZ]

One that gets me is when I hear people talking about power and torque of an engine as if they are somehow unrelated or mutually exclusive.

I wonder how many people who talk of power and torque know what they are.

[Falcon Coupe]

The Pub, automotive related topics only, how hard can it be ?
Too hard for many here.