2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 6

Ben73 · 07-10-2017, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by steve.zissou

drive a 3.5 EB f150 and you will spit on your diesel ranger. 0-60mph (96kmph) 6 seconds.

ranger 3.2 0-100 12 seconds

10.5 seconds if you build up the turbo before letting off the brake.

But yeah it's pretty pathetic that ute owners are forced into a lo po diesel here.
I sort of regret buying mine more and more everyday.
Hoping the Ranger Raptor will show the companies that some people still want decent engines and not everyone wants a 4 cylinder diesel.

boss351290 · 04-10-2017, 09:36 PM

I hate our governments collectively as they have allowed this to occur.we now pay top dollar for junk made in a country that is supposed to be cheap. Free trade they called it. Australia sent 100 territory vehicles to Thailand. And they sent 2 million cars and trucks to us. Free trade.

malazn mafia · 05-10-2017, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by boss351290

I hate our governments collectively as they have allowed this to occur.we now pay top dollar for junk made in a country that is supposed to be cheap. Free trade they called it. Australia sent 100 territory vehicles to Thailand. And they sent 2 million cars and trucks to us. Free trade.

Can't agree enough, Thai junk should be sold for the price of what it really is. Shame on Ford and Toyota for silently switching production to that country and keeping the same price tag. Another filthy corporate that did this and thought they could get away with it is Pringles chips, switching to Malaysian production and producing an inferior product and selling at the same premium price tag... (And I'm not rascist , I am Malaysian myself , but I see corporate greed and daylight robbery for what it is)

roKWiz · 05-10-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Can't agree enough, Thai junk should be sold for the price of what it really is. Shame on Ford and Toyota for silently switching production to that country and keeping the same price tag. Another filthy corporate that did this and thought they could get away with it is Pringles chips, switching to Malaysian production and producing an inferior product and selling at the same premium price tag... (And I'm not rascist , I am Malaysian myself , but I see corporate greed and daylight robbery for what it is)

Saw similar to this in the bicycle industry, Cannondale my favourite make were hand built in the USA with every bicycle stamped with who made it for a lifetime warranty. Their motorcycle division sent the company broke where it was acquired by Pacific corp.
Cannondale closed its US bicycle manufacturing and are now mass produced Chinese garbage which the gullible public buy at roughly the same price.

csv8 · 05-10-2017, 01:22 PM

Wasn't the idea of shifting Fiesta, Focus production to Thailand to make vehicles cheaper? But price stayed the same....

mr smith · 04-10-2017, 10:46 PM

Neighbour traded his 550 Navara for a V6 Amarok. 4 pot was never going to get a run, a mate and his brother inlaw purchased two 550 Navaras over Rangers based purely on the engine capacity. A four pot 2 lt Raptor will sell as well as a four pot Mustang. Whoever made this call deserves the sack.

barra240t · 05-10-2017, 12:15 PM

An Ecoblue twin turbo DOES NOT exsist, period. Ford are not building such an engine. Are you guys really going to buy into this UNOFFICIAL news?

**Fordman1** · 06-10-2017, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

An Ecoblue twin turbo DOES NOT exsist, period. Ford are not building such an engine. Are you guys really going to buy into this UNOFFICIAL news?

Maybe it will in 12 months .....

barra240t · 06-10-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Maybe it will in 12 months .....

Doubt it very much, Ecoblue single has only just come out with no information relating to a twin turbo. The only this in Ford with 2 turbo is......a V6.

Another thing, the video sounded 100% like a petrol engine.

**Fordman1** · 06-10-2017, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

Doubt it very much, Ecoblue single has only just come out with no information relating to a twin turbo. The only this in Ford with 2 turbo is......a V6.

Another thing, the video sounded 100% like a petrol engine.

Let's see what happens in 12 Months.

I think I may be right - we could bet Avatars if you like

**Fordman1** · 22-12-2017, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Let's see what happens in 12 Months.

I think I may be right - we could bet Avatars if you like

Hey Barra240t you want to change your Avatar to a picture of a Barina ?

Brazen · 05-10-2017, 01:51 PM

You are not going to see a lot lower prices with the moving of production, the car makers do it due to government incentives or access to markets. It's not really about costs or lowering prices. Car making is very capital and material intensive, that's not going to change wherever you build them.

There is more labour costs in selling a car than building it anyway. Hence why very high labour cost countries like France, Italy, Germany, UK, Sweden, Japan and South Korea have thriving auto industries.

csv8 · 05-10-2017, 01:56 PM

"Under the bonnet will be an engine with mumbo. Our photographer said it sounded very similar to an EcoBoost V6 F-150 – and that makes sense, given Ford has recently updated this engine for the F-150 Raptor to pump out 336kW of power and 690Nm of torque.
The big F-150 uses the 3.5-litre EcoBoost V6 mated to a co-developed gearbox with GM, a 10-speed automatic." and Australia gets a 4cylinder !!!!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/558226/2...n-waiting-for/

Vesper Martini · 06-10-2017, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

"Under the bonnet will be an engine with mumbo. Our photographer said it sounded very similar to an EcoBoost V6 F-150 – and that makes sense, given Ford has recently updated this engine for the F-150 Raptor to pump out 336kW of power and 690Nm of torque.
The big F-150 uses the 3.5-litre EcoBoost V6 mated to a co-developed gearbox with GM, a 10-speed automatic." and Australia gets a 4cylinder !!!!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/558226/2...n-waiting-for/

If the Photographer said its sounded like the V6 F-150. then that's good enough for me.

Bossxr8 · 06-10-2017, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

I agree 100%. My main aim of my comment was to point out that people have been brainwashed with the idea that manufacturing is no way sustainable in Australia due to wages. Just proves the age old of blaming unions for everything and apparently "extremely" high wages for end of manufacturing is just utter rubbish. Just small minded people that believe what they read in the Herald Scum. With proper tariffs, reduction enivro, taxs etc like you have mentioned and no trade deals to create a level playing field. Australian manufacturing is perfectly still viable and will always be. With the proper measures in place there is not reason why the ranger could have been built in Broadmeadows and falcon production ended either way due to lack of demand. This goes for all manufacturing across the board, not just automotive. Off shoring local jobs, in favor of bigger profits and greed is killing the country.

Ford ran the numbers to see wether it was viable to build Ranger at Broadmeadows and it wasn't even close. The problem is production capacity that is too low. The big mega factories in Europe, Asia and the US can build 2-3 times as many cars a year as Broadmeadows could, which means greatly reduced build costs per unit.

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Hmmm Germany, France, great Britain, USA all have wages, taxes, compliance costs etc that we have. They seem to manage paying their workers a living wage.

As above, they have massive economies of scale which makes them much cheaper to build. But yes wages in countries like Germany etc are actually higher than what they are here.

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Nor does a small capacity turbo, lets use the term performance pretty loosely in this case. Performance can mean many things to different people.

But, in a ute/truck the last thing IMO owners want is the feeling of multiple gear change to mask the smaller engines. When you hit the go pedal you want grunt, not it dropping 3 gears and revving its lungs out.

Sounds like a cracking engine for a fiesta or focus though.

The good modern multi speed autos are so bloody good you don't even feel them shift, and the gaps between gears are so small you don't notice the engine change either.

articulatedsphinx · 20-07-2018, 08:18 PM

Ugh. I was really looking forward to the radar cruise control.... Maybe it's just not compatible with the suspension or intended use I don't know. But having driven some Subarus with it, I really enjoyed it for traffic.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/668069/...ty-technology/

chrisandsharon · 21-07-2018, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Ugh. I was really looking forward to the radar cruise control.... Maybe it's just not compatible with the suspension or intended use I don't know. But having driven some Subarus with it, I really enjoyed it for traffic.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/668069/...ty-technology/

Correct. No AEB but it does have AEL and FLS - Auto Emergency Launch over danger with the world first FLS - Fox Landing System to see you land it every time. Probably best not to switch the FLS off as we’ve seen some do when attempting some Foxy manoeuvres.

boss351290 · 05-10-2017, 09:35 PM

The car industry is a bit like the fruit shop. Coles and Woolworths step in and lower prices. Little fruit shop closes down. Can't compete. Prices go back up again. Fruit shop gone forever. Sad.

b0son · 05-10-2017, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by boss351290

The car industry is a bit like the fruit shop.

It sells lemons?

tranquilized · 07-10-2017, 10:22 AM

3 out of 4 VW Amarok sales are V6 models in Australia.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...most-expensive

Mercury Bullet · 07-10-2017, 02:13 PM

Could that be VW diesels being toxic (no pun intended) though?

ute429 · 08-10-2017, 07:48 AM

Wonder what motor will be in the 2018 Superute series duel cabs?

Looking on Supercars website they are touting 340bhp (255kw), 500ft/lb torque from production engines with a controlled gearbox and diff.

Could that much be squeezed out of a 2ltr tt diesel?

Sounds more feasable from the 3.2 IMHO

naddis01 · 08-10-2017, 01:31 PM

Interesting ^^^. What are the specs of the powerstroke?

Dr Smith · 23-12-2017, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Interesting ^^^. What are the specs of the powerstroke?

It's guestimated to be around the numbers of the Land Rover V6 diesel so around 190kW

eb2fairmont · 08-10-2017, 05:43 PM

It's simple for raptor.

It's a performance vehicle. People want a performance orientated dual cab. When I heard that the Amarok was getting v6 it was enough to pique my interest to look at one.

If raptor has a 4 banger it's going to be viewed as a sticker pack. Doesn't matter how shiny the shocks are, it's just not going to be considered a performance car. Full stop.

If it's a hotted up 3.2 or ecoboost v6 option then people will be interested.

Given it's going to be a 10-20 k increase on wild track that buys a fair bit off off-road toys.

Falcon SXR8 · 08-10-2017, 09:41 PM

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

Bossxr8 · 09-10-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

Off road performance vehicles they should be called.

No high ride vehicle is going to be a good handler, just like no low slung performance coupe or sedan is going to last 50 metres off road without having the front bar ripped off and sump smashed. Horses for courses.

FlipXW · 09-10-2017, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Are we really calling dual cab utes " performance vehicles " now ?? What a time to be alive

Performance relative to the other options available in the segment. A bloke with a 911 would probably laugh at people calling a Falcon or Commodore a performance car.

Mercury Bullet · 09-10-2017, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipXW

Performance relative to the other options available in the segment. A bloke with a 911 would probably laugh at people calling a Falcon or Commodore a performance car.

You may well be surpised, ive seen a carrera gts against a gt-f on country roads.

It's not pretty when you think of dollars spent.

Race track different story sure, but to under estimate the last Australian cars would be a mistake.

FlipXW · 09-10-2017, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

You may well be surpised, ive seen a carrera gts against a gt-f on country roads.

It's not pretty when you think of dollars spent.

Race track different story sure, but to under estimate the last Australian cars would be a mistake.

Mate I'm not doubting that. I love my Falcons, it just seems to many people on this forum think they are the only car that should exist.