The State Governments plan to crush hoons' cars after third offence.

[MO]

Originally Posted by xr6tmatty

You have got to be kdding yourself if you dont think hoons have to do with fatal car accidnes. Yeah a burnout aint going to kill on many occasion but it is these same ****** sticks that are killing people on the road and it is with speed. ive been to many fatal car accidents , as it is my job, and alot have to do with speed and when ya check these regos. bingo they have got many tickets for 'hooning' things.

And your job is??

Jason,4vman why do you bother its the goose.

[GT]

The disagreement here seems to be about a difference in opinion as to what the law is. If Qld and Vic have different laws (and I am not saying this is the case as I have not been bothered to read up on it - got better things to do) then we have no argument here to continue.

Some are banging on quoting Vic laws and the other Qld rules. Most of us don't really care for this anymore and I'm one. If Qld rules are different to Vic then you are all right and can spend the rest of the night being happy.

GT

[4Vman]

Gaela, the drink driving rules are VERY relevant to the new hoon laws now because part of the new proposal is to apply the same confiscation and crushing penalties to drink driving....
The Thread relates to VIC rules and proposals so in reality the QLD laws are irrelevant and potentially mischievously misleading...

I think its important to get this right as many are under the wrong impression you're "safe" on private property..

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

holy crap.. i can be done for moving cars in my backyard ****ed...

yep in vic you can

[GT]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Gaela, the drink driving rules are VERY relevant to the new hoon laws now because part of the new proposal is to apply the same confiscation and crushing penalties to drink driving....
The Thread relates to VIC rules and proposals so in reality the QLD laws are irrelevant and potentially mischievously misleading...

Norm - the guy clearly stated in his first post that he was referring to Qld. The whole thing is rolling along because you are all talking about two different sets of rules. One post to correct the fact that the thread is about Vic laws should be enough - correct the 'misleading comment' and move on. Let's not escalate it and lose what the thread is really about. If this goes on for another page the thread will be well highjacked and end up closed. There are not going to be any winners here as more than one person wants to have the last say - please let it be a mod.

GT

[Bundy]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

holy crap.. i can be done for moving cars in my backyard ****ed...

maybe.... in the nanny state

[MO]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Gaela, the drink driving rules are VERY relevant to the new hoon laws now because part of the new proposal is to apply the same confiscation and crushing penalties to drink driving....
The Thread relates to VIC rules and proposals so in reality the QLD laws are irrelevant and potentially mischievously misleading...

I think its important to get this right as many are under the wrong impression you're "safe" on private property..

Exactly,why is it that people think otherwise because this has been the case for at least 20 or 30 years now that I am aware of.

[MO]

Originally Posted by bundy

maybe.... in the nanny state

Only if someone dobs you.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

holy crap.. i can be done for moving cars in my backyard ****ed...

haha, they got your number mr beige!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MO

Exactly,why is it that people think otherwise because this has been the case for at least 20 or 30 years now that I am aware of.

I scratch my head sometimes MO... i really do....

[russellw]

Can we just accept that (potentially) Queensland and Victoria have different regulations relating to various offences and put an end to the bickering before I put an end to the thread.

Russ

[GS608]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

Goose stop acting like your user name

I got done many years ago for being asleep in my cay ( here in vic ) on our family farm blew .06 so yes you can get done for both being drunk and having an unregoed vehicle why do you think we have rego for farm equipment and vehicles

I was lucky i was just cautioned at court so no conviction

I beleive that if this stops morons being tools on the road then so be it

are you saying by doing the responsible thing and sleeping in your car instead of driving home you can be booked for drink driving? What would they prefer you do? sleep in the gutter?

[MO]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

are you saying by doing the responsible thing and sleeping in your car instead of driving home you can be booked for drink driving? What would they prefer you do? sleep in the gutter?

Yep,had a mate many years ago when the laws first came in got done in the ACT. Been drinking decided against driving climbed in the back seat and got done. Something to do with intent.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MO

Yep,had a mate many years ago when the laws first came in got done in the ACT. Been drinking decided against driving climbed in the back seat and got done. Something to do with intent.

I thought you only get done if your keys are in the ignition.

[MO]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I thought you only get done if your keys are in the ignition.

They could have been some detail is lost in the mist of time.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by MO

Yep,had a mate many years ago when the laws first came in got done in the ACT. Been drinking decided against driving climbed in the back seat and got done. Something to do with intent.

yep that sounds about right

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I thought you only get done if your keys are in the ignition.

On The Force the other week, a repeat drink driver was being stalked by an undercover FG XR6T in a car park.

The police officer said that it's only a crime if the offender actually starts the engine.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by russellw

Can we just accept that (potentially) Queensland and Victoria have different regulations relating to various offences and put an end to the bickering before I put an end to the thread.

Russ

I checked with the "appropriate" sources as in fact the law in QLD is very similar to that in Victoria.
My attention was drawn to a recent high profile case where a serial drink driver had a dummy spit and was doing donuts in his front yard while drunk in a rural area of the Sunshine Coast QLD and got rolled.

He was fined and further disqualified and from this a public campaign was run telling the public that this can happen.

It took me about 20 seconds to find this on google.

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/program...inkDriving.htm

[MO]

Originally Posted by Bobman

On The Force the other week, a repeat drink driver was being stalked by an undercover FG XR6T in a car park.

The police officer said that it's only a crime if the offender actually starts the engine.

That was in WA correct.?

[MO]

Originally Posted by flappist

I checked with the "appropriate" sources as in fact the law in QLD is very similar to that in Victoria.
My attention was drawn to a recent high profile case where a serial drink driver had a dummy spit and was doing donuts in his front yard while drunk in a rural area of the Sunshine Coast QLD and got rolled.

He was fined and further disqualified and from this a public campaign was run telling the public that this can happen.

It took me about 20 seconds to find this on google.

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/program...inkDriving.htm

I do remember this now lets see if 'the goose' honks his beak.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by MO

That was in WA correct.?

Yes, that's correct.

On that note, I feel police should concentrate their efforts on tackling the root cause of problems on our roadways - inattentive drivers & those who have not a clue on how to handle a motor vehicle. Not some guy who does a small chirp at the lights or exceeds the arbitrary limits by 5 kilometres an hour.

[GS608]

Originally Posted by MO

Yep,had a mate many years ago when the laws first came in got done in the ACT. Been drinking decided against driving climbed in the back seat and got done. Something to do with intent.

Wow, that's harsh and open to abuse of power very easily.

[reece1]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

You deserve to have your car crushed if you've received 2 fines and warnings it will happen. In the past week, we have seen what irresponsible drivers can do. Drunk, P-Plater with 5 passengers, speeding, killing himself and 4 others. That bloke was a hoon, and where did it get him. 6 feet under.

Time to get tough. And if it means crushing their car. Then they have no-one else to blame but themselves. Demerit point loss or fines are not enough to stop these clowns from reoffending. Jail time should also be part of the deal.

what happens when your son or daughter is driving the family car and it gets crushed cause of their actions

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by reece1

what happens when your son or daughter is driving the family car and it gets crushed cause of their actions

I would have thought it would only be if the person driving the car owned it? I mean they already stated that cars subject to finance agreements are exempt from this.

I mean, what if the apprentice at the mechanics gets done in your car on a "test drive"?

[Fireblade]

They have stated that it must be the drivers car and have no encumberment so that can't happen.

In SA you get your car impounded for DUI offences now under Hoon laws, or has been for a while, last year some 3000 vehicles where impounded, big campaign praising the Hoon laws. Broken down there was some 1900 DUI impounds another 500-600 for unpaid fines and only 500-600 were for actual misconduct. Funny how they use the total for the spin with out actually breaking it down for Joe Public who would have more of an out cry over Drunks behind the wheel.

At the end of the day we have had road rules since the turn of last century, we obviously haven't learnt in the last 100 years why should we start now. I mean WE as in all road users collectively. We have always had dips**ts and we always will, this will never change and most will never learn.

[MO]

I reckon they should bring back a law they scrapped not all that long ago in the scheme of things.

Its the Red Flag law that would sort it all out.

[ltd]

Waiting outside serial offenders houses is brilliant. Love it, should be more of it.

As for chirping at the lights etc; how long is a piece of string? If we make a little chirp ok, then some will start doing longer ones, some will get sideways etc etc. I remember back to 1997 when myself and a few mates were having coffee in Knox st Double Bay. Long story short, this hero tries to do a burn out after it just started to sprinkle in his V6 VR commodore, got sideways, lost it and collided with a parked RR Corniche (the two door one). Everyone was astounded. Literally, 5 seconds went by without anyone saying anything before people reached for their phones to call police.
The idiots then tried to get away, but their crumpledoor had literally moulded itself around this 1970's classic. The point is, this car had the RR not been there could have easily mounted the gutter and knocked down any number of the hundreds of cafe goers there.

Sorry to say it, but hooning is one of the dumbest things a man can do. It is the mating call of the feral bogan which merely reinforces the need to eliminate it. Well done police, more power to you and get rid of the hoons at all costs. I also love the rego cameras, the extra RBT's etc etc. This stops the rot.
Cameras on the other hand stop nothing but the growth of personal wealth.

[zdcol71]

QUOTE "Case2 was when i came out of the superwash and the back end of me ute just whipped out into a full drift cause the foam wash had killed my tyres traction, and me being a P plater, seeing the cop car behind me afterwards was a heart attack shock, then at the lights he goes up next to me and says "Fun isnt it!?!" END QUOTE

So this is actually taken from another thread on this site ,by one of our own members.
If, (in nearly 35 years of driving, and countless times having used autowashes), I've left one only to end up loosing the back end in a full drift, then I can't remember.
If it had happened and I was pingged as a "hoon", and told that was my "first strike", then next time I came out of an autowash, I would make sure that I had sufficient control of my car to not have it end up in a full drift again for fear of getting pingged as a 2nd strike hoon.
If the third time I came out of an autowash, and I lost the rear end to a full drift (because the foam wash had killed my traction); and this had all happened over a period of time where my memory shouldn't have quite yet desserted me, I would say call me any number of things that would best describe the ******** that I was.
If in fact what happened above isn't quite gods truth (snicker snicker), and as a young bloke with a bit of value added performance to go with my now flash clean wheels, I spun them up and put the car into a full drift of my own volition... three times ... in the same period of time???
I know what sounds a little closer to the truth everytime I hear someone crying foul about unfair/ unjust hoon laws.
No disrespect intended to the OP of my example, but I wonder if the hoon laws are really affecting that many people; such that anyone other than a "hoon" should be getting too carried away with them??

PS This was also in the same post "One night me mate got his drink spiked at the club and passed out accross the road, then when we found him the cops where trying to get his name and when he saw us, he unzipped his pants and started ****ing on the cop car! "
Does anyone really think the defence "Sorry your worship, me drink was spiked" would actually stand up if after three times someone was actually punished for ****in on a cop.??
Middle Australia tends to have a different attitude to this sort of behaviour and generally tends to ask people to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.A lot of people here seem to want to defend "hoon" behaviour or at least rally against the government's and police responses to this behaviour.
I have found it difficult with, a fair bit of searching,to even find out what constitutes an infraction of the "hoon laws", but I would suggest that anyone who actually ends up with their car crushed,dare I say it, (and let me put a suit on), deserves it!!

[UNR8D]

Zdcol71 - I don’t disagree really with what you have said in your post, but what I do have an issue with is the 'Hoon laws' over all.

There has been reckless driving/driving without due care and attention/speeding/excessive noise and smoke in a public arena for years all of which can do the SAME job as media fuelled 'HOON LAWS'

after doing a quick read around over 10,000 cars have been impounded in VIC alone since they brought in the laws... that’s allot of supposed 17-25yo's in commodores disturbing the peace.. Perhaps think about the fact of the old adage of 'give them an inch they run a mile'? goes both ways and now the gov is just getting plain knee jerk and greedy and we are finding more and more people effected by a law that is meant to cottonwool us all into a false sense that if no hoons were about there wouldn’t be a road toll.

Trouble is, currently you have doctors getting their own cars taken for 28days with no ability of return because their mechanic lent on it just a bit, you have MINI dealerships without a car for 28days costing them business because a potential customer decided to disengage trac ctrl, you have a lawyer in syd currently in court because his alfa 156 slipped beside a HWP car at a wet set of lights on take off.... You see where im going with this.....

to add to that, in an age where green is the new black and everything is environmentally friendly, they crush a car that could have had a few more parts recycled before destruction... reused the 3.8L as a boat anchor for one... once again you see where im going with this.

start by educating people at high school about the dangers/responsibilities of the road, teach them how to drive, put them on the skidpan and see how much they DONT know how to drive instead of learning the hard way at 60km/h into a pole, crushing cars wont do a d*ck of difference to our road toll or how many guys on a sat night decide to do a neutral banger just to see what it does, if you think it will your more naive than the vic gov.

[zdcol71]

"Trouble is, currently you have doctors getting their own cars taken for 28days with no ability of return because their mechanic lent on it just a bit, you have MINI dealerships without a car for 28days costing them business because a potential customer decided to disengage trac ctrl, you have a lawyer in syd currently in court because his alfa 156 slipped beside a HWP car at a wet set of lights on take off.... You see where im going with this....."


I do , and I am sure you could see where I was going with my post, the doctor I believe got his car back before the 28 days with a bit of push back through the right channels, not sure about the mini dealership,(would have thought though that the dealership would have sent someone out with the test driver to keep them leagal whilst testing one of their cars given the publicity form the other examples you have given), and I am sure the lawyer in Sydney is probably still a long way off having his car crushed under hoon law, (which is essentially the point I was making).
I do agree that there is obviously current law in place to cover all of this, I am also in agreeance that I don't necessarily believe that crushing cars is the best solution. I am also not particularly familiar with the rigidity and low tolerance of Vic regulations and I do feel sympathy for a lot of people unfairly (though not unlawfully) caught up in them.
I will just say again, given the fact that it will take 3 strikes and a whole bunch of warning, (both before and after the first offence), to find your car crushed, it's hard for me to offer any sympathy to anyone who finds themself in that situation, given what I said in my previous post