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Some good points there but one problem, you do not pull 3 dead out of a modern large car that has "not hit the pole that hard". Do not let marks on a pole or amount it moved fool you, I have been to cars torn in two and the pole still standing. Thats not experience making the pole either.
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When I was in year 10 some 25 years ago religion at my school was a compulsory subject. We use to ago away on retreats etc but the ONE outing we had that has stayed with me till this day was a visit to Glebe Coroners Court. At that age being taken to a morgue and a complete guided tour through the premises shocks you sensless. I witnessed deceased young kids and adults having all there orrifices sewn up and then transported to the freezers to live autopsies. Seeing a body removed from the freezer ready to go under the knife was the most chilling experience.
On jumping back onto the school bus the first song that was played was Billy Idols Eyes without a face, needless to say whenever i hear that song i cringe and have an instant flash back. At that age true I could not believe they would allow us to see such a thing but shock value has its merits. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD, PEOPLE DIE. |
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I've only read the first page but seems a case of people making judgement before they even read the article.
Apparently doing the speed limit and aquaplaned. Seems to me to be a case of in-experienced driver in the wet and taking the speed limit as gospel. Sign says 80 so I'm safe doing 80 (regardless of the conditions). |
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Having reviewed the video, the damage on the car suggests that either it was traveling at a speed much higher then 80 km/h or there was a major structural weakness, I know which is more likely.
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I remember back a couple of months ago when a mate of mine was looking for a new car. He was on his P plates and was looking at the Ford Focus XR5 Turbos on display at our local Ford Dealership. The dealer came up to us, started talking about the car and when he realised my mate was on his P's, he informed him that he wouldn't let him take it for a test drive, or purchase the vehicle. Yet on the other hand, I have a friend who drives a VY SS ute who is on red P plates and had his father go down to the dealership and purchase it. |
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Some dealers are scared about being liable if something goes wrong. The RTA will let them register anything in their name atm. |
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Your mention of the lack of yellow markings, what is that supposed to mean? Are you saying there were not really 3 people killed (any fatal accident automatically involves forensic crash investigation). I would suggest it only means that the investigators did not deem markings necessary.
Also, if you are experienced in vehicle crashes you would realise that there are often no skid marks. This is normally because no brakes were involved (asleep at the wheel), the vehicle was accelerating (hooning), the tyres were not in contact with the road surface (airborne, aqua planing) or the marks have washed away in heavy rain. Many of these points actually point to excessive speed for the conditions. The simple fact is if correct speed for the conditions was used then, a) there would not be the extent of the damage to the car there is and b) the car would not have left the road I have seen many serious crash scenes the next day after the event and it is amazing how the remaining evidence does not paint the picture of what was there. But you are right, what would we know, we will wait for the investigation.
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Well did anyone just watch it on the news and see what the copper had to say?
No evidence of street racing. Was travelling too fast for the conditions but no evidence of being over the speed limit . A mistake anyone could make , obviously not as much chance of it with more driving experience under your belt. Could of made the same mistake in a Skoda.................. Very easy for people to be the judge , jury and executioner behind a keyboard. |
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Very sad news...Again, but what can we do, no matter what the government does it still happens, and it will keep hapening sadly!
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Several factors in these smashes , incorrect car ( but that's not the main reason) a short driving time and persons being taught to pass the test and not drive , plus the roads are poorly maintained . It all costs money and time so to avoid actually fixing things the pollies point and blame whilst pocketing the proceeds and diverting the finds into other pet avenues Remember these things when you vote |
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The fact is and you can all shoot me for this a XR6T, XR8 SS dunny door are all TOO much car for P platers. I learnt to drive in 68 rear drive alfa with twin webbers and I don't know about 70kwt and that got me into enough trouble 240kw is just too much for someone with that little expreriance. If I had owned a XR6T when I was on my P's I would have lasted a week and I think alot of us here would have gone the same way. The limit in an alfa is a whole lot less than an XR6T and it still got me in trouble.
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A very sad end to what was proably a bit of fun, sadly id say a combination of too much power/speed for the conditions, inexperience, a lack of good mature judgement and self control cost them the ultimate price.....
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It was never mentioned by the police as too much power had anything to do with it. If it did it would of been said. The only part of what YOU believe 4vman that I will agree with is the inexperience bit. We have not had rain in Western Sydney like we had last night in years. Yes the driver should of backed off in the bad conditions but that can also be a big call there as there are always trucks and other vehicles screaming along that road that would slam you , especially in bad weather. Maybe the driver thought he would be safer trying to sit with the traffic. Yes even at 3am the Great Western Highway has traffic. A lackof good mature judgement and self control has squat to do with it from what can be seen. |
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While driving this weekend (1300km) round trip up the Pacific Highway Syd>Coffs>Syd I saw plenty of p-platers doing the right thing. I saw some driving really nice XR6's (hope they werent de-badged) on the way up, and saw them again on the way back. Both times sitting at their limit (100 in 110) and with plenty of distances etc. All the p-platers I saw were actually all driving really well.
Everyone else was too, even though we went through a couple of really torrential showers. Everyone seemed to have the right lights on and were driving to the conditions, and maintaining safe gaps and keeping left. Even on the F3 Sydney bound on a Sunday arvo. Amazing. Hope it wasn't an abberation, or the fact I was driving a new black Statesman. Maybe there is hope. While these incidents are tragedies in their own right, the driving quality I saw this weekend was far better than which I had experienced in any trip in the past few years. Pity the road is still crap north of Bulledelah.
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This is really going no where. People will have their views and other people will disagree. Im not going to bother going any further on this...there is simply no point. |
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My point is, is that not driving to the conditions is VERY dangerous. And nobody could ever help the situation by assuming other vehicles are doing that, so feeling they ought to do the same. If you drive like that in those conditions just because everyone else does, youre signing your life away. |
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Yep I totally agree with you there. Not driving to the conditions is dangerous which has only gone to prove it with the result.
It was a major screw up , but one any person could honestly make. Crucifying the guy because he was a P plater and driving a XR6 like has been doen here is not exactly fair but. If it was a 50 years old woman in a Toyota Starlet that did the exact same thing it would be a tragic accident. Because he was a younger guy in a XR6 it was an accident that was expected. People just need to stop the stereo typing that goes on so often now days. Maybe it is time we stop speaking ill of the dead which is what is happening in this thread? |
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Untill people learn to rationalise and accept these events are NOT accidents at all but rather avoidable mistakes or acts of immaturity, selfishness or just stupidity they will keep happening...
Denial; an unconscious thought process whereby one allays anxiety by refusing to acknowledge the existence of certain unpleasant aspects of external reality
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every time its a 50-70yo who mistakes the accelerator for the brake its a tragic accident and 5th page news, P plater its automaticly a HOON and front page news with everyone out in vigilantes to get justice, the world is very very screwed up.
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Thankyou. This is exactly my point! The world is slowing being programmed to what the media want people to believe. Nowdays some of the conspiricy theories that have floated around for years dont seem so far fetched anymore.... |
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Seriously people - Have we not seen this type of accident many MANY times before?
Along with the tragic loss of life, & the inevitable misguided sensationalist press reports, these events (and threads) always end up going into a quick downward spiral. I suppose members will learn how to get along with one another in threads like this just as soon as crashes like this stop happening. |
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