Wikileaks discussion

[Franco Cozzo]

Wasn't this rape charge tried on him earlier on the year and it got thrown out?

[74_XB_Ute]

Originally Posted by Fev

Everyone seems to think the information Wikileaks is disseminating is Classified or Top Secret. The cables that are being released are noted as "In Confidence". Which is a step below top secret.

My medical records are labelled as "In Confidence" and they definately arent a step below Top Secret. "In Confidence" isn't even a security classification for Australia or the USA. "In Confidence" basically means that you are indicating to the person you are corresponding with that you wish for the information to be between you and them. You can list an annex of others that can be informed about the information on the correspondence if you like. As for National Security...."In confidence" means jack all. I could write "in confidence" on my fast food order to my mate because I dont want anyone else to know I like extra pickles!! Thats how much weight "in confidence" carries to National Security. The step below Top Secret...is Secret...which makes sense really.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by onfire

To me, Julian Assange just comes off like a smug, pretentious, little man. Probably bullied in High School, and ended up getting the last laugh playing Devil's advocate watching his high school's conformist society crumble around him in the final few months.

Unfortunately for him, this is the real world built on rules and structure. Despite Government corruption, cover ups, and sensitive information these are the realities of a modern society, built again on rules and structure, and practices that are worth maintaining and defending.

This isn't a guy who want's to expose the truth to the masses, this is a character who wishes to generate as much chaos as possible, not on the virtue of free-speech but on the grounds of anarchy. The vehicle or the content, whats just as relevant is the malice and intent behind it.

Ahh yes here we go, when your not able to discuss the message.... lets destroy the messenger and try to destroy his character without actually having any evidence. If your not interested in the message, be like everyone else and dont listen or care.

Its that attitude that makes this world so wonderful to live in....

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Wasn't this rape charge tried on him earlier on the year and it got thrown out?

No, he has never gone to trial.
The arrest warrant wasnt dropped because of some issue on how it was raised.

Its been re-written 3 times now.

[Jim Goose]

Open letter to the PM:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41914.html

Some 250 people have attached their names to this letter in support;

Dear Prime Minister,

We note with concern the increasingly violent rhetoric directed towards Julian Assange of WikiLeaks.

“We should treat Mr Assange the same way as other high-value terrorist targets: Kill him,” writes conservative columnist Jeffrey T Kuhner in the Washington Times.

William Kristol, former chief of staff to vice president Dan Quayle, asks, “Why can’t we use our various assets to harass, snatch or neutralize Julian Assange and his collaborators, wherever they are?”

“Why isn’t Julian Assange dead?” writes the prominent US pundit Jonah Goldberg.

“The CIA should have already killed Julian Assange,” says John Hawkins on the Right Wing News site.

Sarah Palin, a likely presidential candidate, compares Assange to an Al Qaeda leader; Rick Santorum, former Pennsylvania senator and potential presidential contender, accuses Assange of “terrorism”.

And so on and so forth.

Its these sorts of disgusting comments which go unpunished that make me sick.
Who on earth do these so called public figures think they are?????
Serioulsy this is unheard of....

The rest of the letter can be read at the above link.

[Road Games]

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OK hear it is BLACK and WHITE why hasn't this thread been closed ???
Daz.

[onfire]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Ahh yes here we go, when your not able to discuss the message.... lets destroy the messenger and try to destroy his character without actually having any evidence. If your not interested in the message, be like everyone else and dont listen or care.

Its that attitude that makes this world so wonderful to live in....

This is a man who sits there openly discussing how fantastic it makes him feel doing this, and how his goal is to stir up the pot as much as possible.

When the consequences are so high and the potential fall out these leaks so dangerous, we need to forget about this folkloric image of the modern day internet revolutionary and remember simply: cause and effect. The concept of causality.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by onfire

This is a man who sits there openly discussing how fantastic it makes him feel doing this, and how his goal is to stir up the pot as much as possible.

When the consequences are so high and the potential fall out these leaks so dangerous, we need to forget about this folkloric image of the modern day internet revolutionary and remember simply: cause and effect. The concept of causality.

What consequences???? spell them out.....

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by DAZZLER351

1. Posts about or containing references to: religion, race, politics, sensitive or controversial subjects.

OK hear it is BLACK and WHITE why hasn't this thread been closed ???
Daz.

Its a current world news topic, leading to interesting discussion. If we can have a thread about elections, local government issues, this is no different.

Besides, James Courtney Signing to HRT is controversial subject, and that thread is still going....

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by DAZZLER351

AFF is a community based forum provided for the benefit of registered members. Membership acceptance and continuation is entirely at the discretion of the administration team.

This is a moderated site, which means that there are a few simple rules in place to ensure that everyone is free to enjoy the community here without fear or favour.

The site is provided mainly for the benefit of those wishing to discuss vehicle related matters (not exclusively Ford ones) but an area is provided (called the BAR) for other non automotive related discussion that is of general interest to the community. This is NOT a free for all area and posts that either don't meet the criteria listed below or which are deemed to be unduly trivial in nature may be removed at the discretion of the moderation team in that area.

In short, the following things are not permitted:


1. Posts about or containing references to: religion, race, politics, sensitive or controversial subjects.

OK hear it is BLACK and WHITE why hasn't this thread been closed ???
Daz.

The answer lies in the above bold, now back top the topic.

[vztrt]

Seems that the governments are happy that the masses aren't glue to the TV watching Idol, Master Chef of whatever pointless POS that is dished up. But instead getting info on what OUR representatives are doing in the world.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by onfire

This is a man who sits there openly discussing how fantastic it makes him feel doing this, and how his goal is to stir up the pot as much as possible.

When the consequences are so high and the potential fall out these leaks so dangerous, we need to forget about this folkloric image of the modern day internet revolutionary and remember simply: cause and effect. The concept of causality.

The only folkloric aspect is saying that there is much danger. The governments mentioned are not only pretty much aware of everything the other is saying behind closed doors, but is engaging in exactly the same activity themselves. You would have to live under a rock to think as Rudd said, international relations is about rolling over to get your belly rubbed. It is a game of chess, except the movements of the pieces are not set in stone.


The only people who are gasping, are the public, the media arent even that shocked, but they are playing it for all its worth. The pursuit of Assange is fodder for a long time to come.

One thing is certain, the wheels will keep turning, they are still engaging in the same practices, only the documents will be harder to get at now. The sky wont fall in.

[Jim Goose]

Reading an interesting take on the alleged "rape" charge...

Apparently it goes like this:
While talking at some seminar he meets a young 20 something girl and they go back to her place where consential sex happens.
However she had insisted on him wearing a condom but didnt.

The next day or two at the same seminar he meets another young female... and well... same thing occurs.

Somehow the two girls meet and find out that they both were.. ahem...
and then go to Police

Apparently there is a law called "surprise sex" where if you fail to wear a condom when asked its considered rape in Sweden.... kinds of hard to find info about the charges!

[Resurrection]

Governments of the world need to be held acountable for their actions. Wikileaks is merely a conduit for those people responsible for obtaining classified documents. I say more power to the people.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Governments of the world need to be held acountable for their actions. Wikileaks is merely a conduit for those people responsible for obtaining classified documents. I say more power to the people.

Right on!

Interesting about the no condom thing in Sweden.. out of all places, where all 'those' Swedish girls come from! Lol.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Right on!

Interesting about the no condom thing in Sweden.. out of all places, where all 'those' Swedish girls come from! Lol.

Why you think they call it 'surprise sex'? Surprise! Your pregnant.

[Jim Goose]

The lack of info on the charges is pretty apparent....

But found this article... now consider that if the information here is true, he is on the worlds most wanted list for a breaking condom?????

http://news.aol.ca/ca/article/sex-by...probe/19743210

The international manhunt for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in a sex-crime investigation in Sweden apparently stems from a condom malfunction.

Assange's London attorney, Mark Stephens, told AOL News today that Swedish prosecutors told him that Assange is wanted not for allegations of rape, as previously reported, but for something called "sex by surprise," which he said involves a fine of 5,000 kronor or about $715.

Assange is the subject of an international manhunt, as a result of Interpol issuing a "red notice," a warrant indicating the person should be arrested with a view to extradition.

"We don't even know what 'sex by surprise' even means, and they haven't told us," Stephens said, just hours after Sweden's Supreme Court rejected Assange's bid to prevent an arrest order from being issued against him on allegations of sex crimes.

"Whatever 'sex by surprise' is, it's only a offense in Sweden -- not in the U.K. or the U.S. or even Ibiza," Stephens said. "I feel as if I'm in a surreal Swedish movie being threatened by bizarre trolls. The prosecutor has not asked to see Julian, never asked to interview him, and he hasn't been charged with anything. He's been told he's wanted for questioning, but he doesn't know the nature of the allegations against him."

The strange tale of Assange's brief flings with two Swedish women during a three-day period in mid-August -- and decisions by three different prosecutors to first dismiss rape allegations made by the women and then re-open the case -- has more twists, turns and conspiracy theories than any of Stieg Larsson's best-sellers.

True, one of Assange's accusers sounds tailor-made for those who think Assange is being set up in Sweden by dark CIA-backed operatives who want him smeared or silenced for his document dumping with WikiLeaks. She's a 31-year-old blond academic and member of the Social Democratic Party who's known for her radical feminist views, once wrote a treatise on how to take revenge against men and was once thrown out of Cuba for subversive activities.........

[WMD351]

Not a lot new here but always entertaining to see a PM being irrational.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1225967095676
Also reported today that PayPal have suspended the Wikileaks account used for sending donations.
I'm sorry to say that when you pick a fight with the biggest meanest bully on the block, chances are you're going to get whacked pretty hard.

[Barnaby]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

The answer lies in the above bold, now back top the topic.

Nice one....

[74_XB_Ute]

Just had a quick look at the wikileaks war logs. Just on the first page alone the 10 reports totalled up 4913 casualties with alot of them by IED's or Suicide Bombers in civilian markets and what not. Seems the silly buggers are trying to make a point by killing their own people (Iraqi's). Also noticed that in reports from years ago they were quoting callsigns, locations, pax on board, radio frequencies, times in zone, type of mission etc.... Now nobody can dispute that this info cant be compiled and measured by the jinglies so they can stick a burst of RPG's at Military assets because wikileaks has advertised a NVG training area...what times are most frequented...and radio bandwidth used. I also noticed that more recent reports....that info is now represented by %%%%%.
In saying all this I agree wikileaks may prove to be of benefit in certain areas like curruption for example. But openly advertising military communications that can impact the average person...which might be Jeff...someones son and brother...who isnt coming home for Xmas because he was patrolling an area where the jinglies had a heads up on a usual patrolling area and IED'd it!

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by 74_XB_Ute

Just had a quick look at the wikileaks war logs. Just on the first page alone the 10 reports totalled up 4913 casualties with alot of them by IED's or Suicide Bombers in civilian markets and what not. Seems the silly buggers are trying to make a point by killing their own people (Iraqi's). Also noticed that in reports from years ago they were quoting callsigns, locations, pax on board, radio frequencies, times in zone, type of mission etc.... Now nobody can dispute that this info cant be compiled and measured by the jinglies so they can stick a burst of RPG's at Military assets because wikileaks has advertised a NVG training area...what times are most frequented...and radio bandwidth used. I also noticed that more recent reports....that info is now represented by %%%%%.
In saying all this I agree wikileaks may prove to be of benefit in certain areas like curruption for example. But openly advertising military communications that can impact the average person...which might be Jeff...someones son and brother...who isnt coming home for Xmas because he was patrolling an area where the jinglies had a heads up on a usual patrolling area and IED'd it!

The information on there isnt a danger to troops.
You just said that its information from several years ago.
Most vital communications are encripted.

I watched a doco on SBS where a Danish Journo was with a group of Taliban fighters high up in a mountain. Everyday like clockwork American troops drove along the same road at the exact same time.
Eventually after the 4th day an airstrike was called in...
hmmmmm say again who is more dangerous.....

Dont you think after 8yrs that the odd radio has been lost?
That information has been gained?

Pandering to the belief that the info on there is to the "enemy's" advantage is very er well.... let me put it this way... who exactly is the enemy?

[fordOwner]

wikileaks = international ***** stirring.
This is my opinion.

[74_XB_Ute]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

The information on there isnt a danger to troops.
You just said that its information from several years ago.
Most vital communications are encripted.

I guess someone somewhere believes it is a danger if the info is now displayed as %%%%%%%

No point having 256bit encryption for military communication systems if Corporal Doofus who is the sigs op for that unit flicks it over to wikileaks. Which afterall is what wikileaks is all about. Getting info from those in the know that are willing pass that info on.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by 74_XB_Ute

My medical records are labelled as "In Confidence" and they definately arent a step below Top Secret. "In Confidence" isn't even a security classification for Australia or the USA. "In Confidence" basically means that you are indicating to the person you are corresponding with that you wish for the information to be between you and them. You can list an annex of others that can be informed about the information on the correspondence if you like. As for National Security...."In confidence" means jack all. I could write "in confidence" on my fast food order to my mate because I dont want anyone else to know I like extra pickles!! Thats how much weight "in confidence" carries to National Security. The step below Top Secret...is Secret...which makes sense really.

IN-CONFIDENCE IS a non-national security classification in Australia. This classification scheme is used for information where it's release would not directly threaten security of the nation

Regardless if you are cleared to a certain classification, this does not mean you should have access to it. You must also have a 'need to know'

Need to know means you require legitimate access to classified information for official duties.

I recall the weight given to this classification meaning is it's disclosure can cause limited damage. It's definitely not taken lightly as you may think though

As for this bloke, they want the source/s more than anything. I would not want to be him or the source.

[74_XB_Ute]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

As for this bloke, they want the source/s more than anything. I would not want to be him or the source.

totally agree.....its the seeds providing wikileaks information that will be of particular interest. You can kill a tree if you chop it off at the roots. Trouble is that the roots are bigger than ben hur im thinking.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by 74_XB_Ute

I guess someone somewhere believes it is a danger if the info is now displayed as %%%%%%%

No point having 256bit encryption for military communication systems if Corporal Doofus who is the sigs op for that unit flicks it over to wikileaks. Which afterall is what wikileaks is all about. Getting info from those in the know that are willing pass that info on.

And your still missing the point on the type of info being passed on....

[74_XB_Ute]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And your still missing the point on the type of info being passed on....

Help me understand then

[rodderz]

Just handed himself in to the british cops.
http://www.news.com.au/world/assange...-1225967232654

Hopefully he gets treated fairly.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by 74_XB_Ute

Help me understand then

Best you read through what has said on here...

And again, the stuff thats been released on that website is not state secrets.
If you prefer to live in a world full of corrupt governments, companies, banks etc and have your rights taken away from you then good luck to you.
But I prefer to live in a nicer place where you dont have to look over your shoulder because you "rock the boat" and tell it like it is...

Exposing the truth shouldnt mean your hounded worldwide by fat corrupt people calling for your DEATH!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by rodderz

Just handed himself in to the british cops.
http://www.news.com.au/world/assange...-1225967232654

Hopefully he gets treated fairly.

to me that says he fears for his life . he probably figures his life is now ruined and is going to leave it to the crazy legal system for the public to witness an example of corruption