HSV E3 adds race car technology

[anto]

wow, that would sway you to a HSV ? with loyal customers like that no wonder they cant sell cars !

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by anto

wow, that would sway you to a HSV ? with loyal customers like that no wonder they cant sell cars !

If I were to spend $60k+ on a car I want to make sure I get the car that I feel fits my needs and my budget. Blind loyalty doesn't come into it at all. Did it once and was deservedly burnt badly from the experience.
Whoever has the car in my price range and with the features I'd like gets my $$.

[BOSHOG]

i dont know how useful this feature would be to me, but i sure do like the fact HSV are doing something like this for their customers

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by anto

wow, that would sway you to a HSV ? with loyal customers like that no wonder they cant sell cars !

I think in all the cafuffle about the Motec data logger people have missed the BISS (uber important when your glasshouse is tiny) and self-park on Caprice (one f the few cars that will be handy to have it).

Good on HSV for trying to deliver something when they're parent company went bankrupt and left a 2 year hole in the powertrain development

[HSE2]

For those that might not remember this is simply a continuation of the John Cretin plan that was stolen from the desk of our very own David Flint.

It’s a blueprint from Blueprint. It came out around the same time as Skaife published his 100 or so point road map to success but it essentially signalled HSV’s retreat from simply being a badge on the boot to the intention to move towards an emphasis on torque and technology based advancement. Brand identification and separation over that of the donor product also made the list as priorities.

Obviously having ready access to one essential ingredient of the performance cake expedited the process somewhat, but credit where it’s due from me. They have continued on that path with reckless abandonment.

It’s not really new or innovative in terms of the industry as a hole.

We have had our own discussion over the years, and on multiple occasions, to have suggestions like we see today in the HSV product engraved on our wish list. They aren't really original thoughts but a nod towards features that define performance products the world over.

As FTe heralded a new owner-> company relationship, these so called gimmicks are designed to usher in a new generation of owner to product relationship and involvement.

The design of these cars essentially makes it impossible for HSV and FPV to really go about redesigning the interior to create the illusion consumers are buying something that is truly representative of the branding they are now marketed with.

When reviews and consumers alike comment that the GT or the R8 don’t provide enough interior distinction over their cheaper donor bases, it drives those respective companies to look at features that add member based appeal but add that separation that has been identified as important.

We, this forum, have identified the HMI as a point of development in exactly the same way as HSV have done with E3, possibly not to the same extent, but we have called it many times in the past.

Things like selectable programs that change the cars performance and behaviour to suit conditions, bespoke steering wheels with possible shift or data acquisition also suggestions in similar vain. HSV went the cost effective route to provide that one upmanship and give the home-grown product some world stage endeavour.

Many have asked for this direction with the FPV product, the original formation of the company to push in this sort of direction. It hasn’t gone to plan for the boys in blue but that does not diminish from the commitment to the brand or product.

Adaptive dampers were a considerable investment as were the HSV specific taillight, but that money was about 25% of what FPV have spent on this new engine. The effort in the engine the equal of what HSV have had the luxury of spending in multiple areas in the same time frame.

We have had to be patient. If you are providing a performance product you firstly have to make sure the product does actually perform and rightly so has been the focus on our side. But never forget it is our side that have always championed total performance and total packaging. We might be slow to the party at times but when we arrive it is with a superior, better engineered, product. As Ford enthusiasts that’s a quality embraced early at age but my full compliments go to the people at HSV. One can’t help look over that proverbial fence and feel a slight tinge of envy at the embracing of a direction that was originally the sole mantra of Tickford and initially FPV.

Today we might get beaten at some of our own game. Tomorrow we reinvent it.

[Iggypoppin']

Originally Posted by HSE2

For those that might not remember this is simply a continuation of the John Cretin plan that was stolen from the desk of our very own David Flint.

It’s a blueprint from Blueprint. It came out around the same time as Skaife published his 100 or so point road map to success but it essentially signalled HSV’s retreat from simply being a badge on the boot to the intention to move towards an emphasis on torque and technology based advancement. Brand identification and separation over that of the donor product also made the list as priorities.

Obviously having ready access to one essential ingredient of the performance cake expedited the process somewhat, but credit where it’s due from me. They have continued on that path with reckless abandonment.

It’s not really new or innovative in terms of the industry as a hole.

We have had our own discussion over the years, and on multiple occasions, to have suggestions like we see today in the HSV product engraved on our wish list. They aren't really original thoughts but a nod towards features that define performance products the world over.

As FTe heralded a new owner-> company relationship, these so called gimmicks are designed to usher in a new generation of owner to product relationship and involvement.

The design of these cars essentially makes it impossible for HSV and FPV to really go about redesigning the interior to create the illusion consumers are buying something that is truly representative of the branding they are now marketed with.

When reviews and consumers alike comment that the GT or the R8 don’t provide enough interior distinction over their cheaper donor bases it drives those respective companies to look at features that add member based appeal but add that separation that has been identified as important.

We, this forum, have identified the HMI as a point of development in exactly the same way as HSV have done with E3, possibly no to the same extent, but we have called it many times in the past.

Things like selectable programs that change the cars performance and behaviour to suit conditions, bespoke steering wheels with possible shift or data acquisition was also a suggestion in similar vain. HSV went the cost effective way to provide that one upmanship and give the home-grown product some world stage endeavour.

Many have asked for this direction with the FPV product, the original formation of the company to push in this sort of direction. It hasn’t gone to plan for the boys in blue but that does not diminish from the commitment to the brand or product.

Adaptive dampers were a considerable investment as were the HSV specific taillight, but that money was about 25% of what FPV have spent on this new engine. The effort in the engine the equal of what HSV have had the luxury of spending in multiple areas in the same time frame.

We have had to be patient. If you are providing a performance product you firstly have to make sure the product does actually performance and rightly so has been the focus on our side. But never forget it is our side that have always championed total performance and total packaging. We might be slow to the party at times but when we arrive it is with a superior, better engineered, product. As Ford enthusiasts that’s a quality embraced early at age but my full compliments go to the people at HSV. One can’t help look over that proverbial fence and feel a slight tinge of envy at the embracing of a direction that was originally the sole mantra of Tickford and initially FPV.

Today we might get beaten at some of our own game. Tomorrow we reinvent it.

I must say, that's one of the best posts I've ever seen on this forum. Rep points to HSE2

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Today we might get beaten at some of our own game. Tomorrow we reinvent it.

That pretty much sums it up .

[last fairlane]

What do they mean when they say
seemless between petrol and LPG (propane)
dont they call it LPG anymore
well I have a Hitech for the day LPG dual fuel system
from the factory in my AU series one 1998 model
and mine changes "seemlessly" from petrol to LPG
with no disernable difference in power
and swaps from petrol to LPG on startup so whats new?
thanks John

[irish2]

Originally Posted by last fairlane

What do they mean when they say
seemless between petrol and LPG (propane)
dont they call it LPG anymore
well I have a Hitech for the day LPG dual fuel system
from the factory in my AU series one 1998 model
and mine changes "seemlessly" from petrol to LPG
with no disernable difference in power
and swaps from petrol to LPG on startup so whats new?
thanks John

LPG can be comprised of propane, or butane, or mixtures of both. Only real difference is boiling point.

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by ESP

Not taking the bait........and totally irrelevant......06 model v an 2010 model.....WTF and WHY ???

I would love to see the new S/C COYOTE with all its striped livery ( if you're that way inclined ) and no EDI ricer W A N K ......go head to head with a GRANGE..........would you like to see that.

Anyways, we're waaaaay of topic so don't bother responding again.

You have to admit the vinyl stickers on these FPV's is trying a bit too hard to replicate the real thing if you know what i mean.I suppose you got to give em some sort of credit they are trying.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

You have to admit the vinyl stickers on these FPV's is trying a bit too hard to replicate the real thing if you know what i mean.I suppose you got to give em some sort of credit they are trying.

The only "real thing" in my book were the bathurst models that were homologated to be raced and won the race. Anything else is only trying to replicate the breed.

Here ate the real things IMHO

Ford Cortina Mk 1 GT
Ford Cortina GT 500
XR Falcon GT
XW Phase II
XY Phase III
XA GT
XC Falcon Cobra homologated special....you know the one !

Anything else is only trying to capture the essence of the PURE RACE WINNING homologated specials.

The newer GT's are fine road cruisers - anything that can get to 250+ Klmh ( potentially in a controlled environment of course ) is still damned impressive in my book - with or without stickers..........

Now the new S/C GT's may rewrite the performance benchmark for any Australian performance car period. We'll wait and see what the stickers on that package look like.............LOL

Its all good....enjoy what you have.

[Iggypoppin']

Another 1971 hardcore?

[Lukeyson]

curious, how fast would 3480rpm in 5th gear be?

[data_mine]

180km/h on the nose, assuming ZF6 and diff ratio's aren't changed from current.

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by ESP

The only "real thing" in my book were the bathurst models that were homologated to be raced and won the race. Anything else is only trying to replicate the breed.

Here ate the real things IMHO

Ford Cortina Mk 1 GT
Ford Cortina GT 500
XR Falcon GT
XW Phase II
XY Phase III
XA GT
XC Falcon Cobra homologated special....you know the one !

Anything else is only trying to capture the essence of the PURE RACE WINNING homologated specials.

The newer GT's are fine road cruisers - anything that can get to 250+ Klmh ( potentially in a controlled environment of course ) is still damned impressive in my book - with or without stickers..........

Now the new S/C GT's may rewrite the performance benchmark for any Australian performance car period. We'll wait and see what the stickers on that package look like.............LOL

Its all good....enjoy what you have.

I think you will find that the 77 cars were XBGT's so you missed a couple.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

I think you will find that the 77 cars were XBGT's so you missed a couple.

Yep .......technically speaking it was a rebodied XB 2 door coupe disguised as the XC Coupe.
Wouldn't you kill for one of those now !!

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by ESP

Yep .......technically speaking it was a rebodied XB 2 door coupe disguised as the XC Coupe.
Wouldn't you kill for one of those now !!

I think you will find they were JG66 cars so technically they were XBGT coupes.Other give aways were body differences that the XBGT coupes had over XC's a little off topic but it's good to let guys like yourself know about the true roots of the GT.Unfortanately these days it's only a sticker that defines a GT in a FPV. a true grand tourer yes but lacking in race heritage.Just own both and have best of both worlds.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

Unfortanately these days it's only a sticker that defines a GT in a FPV. a true grand tourer yes but lacking in race heritage.Just own both and have best of both worlds.

Yes...too true and 100 % agreed.......but I'd rather have any of the new crop of GT's as my daily driver any day of the week over the old clunkers....been there and done that with the old ESP.....MUCH HAPPIER NOW......catchya.

[GTP-03]

ita a good little feauture that will add to the driving experience of the car, as far as hsv hitting a performance ceiling, dont be fooled, remember they have the capacity to stretch there alloy v8 to 7 litres!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by GTP-03

ita a good little feauture that will add to the driving experience of the car, as far as hsv hitting a performance ceiling, dont be fooled, remember they have the capacity to stretch there alloy v8 to 7 litres!

But they wont.... rumor is moving forward they're going to use smaller capacity engines with newer technology....

[Chopped]

Superchargers, Turbos, More Tech, Less Tech, Larger Capacity, Smaller Capacity etc etc / All either side needs to do is drop 200-300kg of lard.

[mytgxl]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Heh, that's pretty cool. You could time your trip to Woolies and back.

HAHA good one!

[data_mine]

Originally Posted by Chopped

All either side needs to do is drop 200-300kg of lard.

Not going to happen, buyers want all the luxo features, and laws dictate all the safety features.

Alu or Carbon panels are too expensive to design, test, mass manufacture (in the small quantities Ford Aus do).

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by data_mine

Not going to happen, buyers want all the luxo features, and laws dictate all the safety features.

Alu or Carbon panels are too expensive to design, test, mass manufacture (in the small quantities Ford Aus do).

Agreed - and realistically - how much weight saving would there be from an aircon unit and premium stereo and sound deadening materials - at best 20 - 40 kg for the whole lot ? Bulkier and stiffer chassis - safety equipment and general size of the whole car would need to be compromised to really get a substantial weight saving. Either that or alu panels as you suggest........but can you imagine what the price of an XT would be - let alone a GT with these ?

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

But they wont.... rumor is moving forward they're going to use smaller capacity engines with newer technology....

There working/testing ideas, including turbo charging, S/C and we all know the direct injection gas is coming..
When you have the quantity output of what they move in the states and so many users they will always have nice performance package, now FPV will reap similar rewards using an engine from the Sates.

Originally Posted by data_mine

180km/h on the nose, assuming ZF6 and diff ratio's aren't changed from current.

Hi Chris, your fairly handy with electronics, navigation company Garvin now have dongle that plugs into the OB2 port shows the diagnostics on 4 models of there sat nav, if someone could get these diagnostics to show up on our ICC screen like the Nissan GTR there would be plenty of buyers..... I think the money spent getting this done would come back to a after market developer in a hurry.
People spend $400 to $1200 on those OB2 port gauges, as you now all the info comes direct from or OB2 port its just how do we get it on to our ICC screens...

[data_mine]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Hi Chris, your fairly handy with electronics, navigation company Garvin now have dongle that plugs into the OB2 port shows the diagnostics on 4 models of there sat nav, if someone could get these diagnostics to show up on our ICC screen like the Nissan GTR there would be plenty of buyers..... I think the money spent getting this done would come back to a after market developer in a hurry.
People spend $400 to $1200 on those OB2 port gauges, as you now all the info comes direct from or OB2 port its just how do we get it on to our ICC screens...

Why thank you.. lol.

I'm already doing such on my phone now. My old phone (still on my desk) has a video output, I've got video input on the ICC.

[JimNiki]

That display looks like the Star Trek Lcars interface ...

I say it should have voice activation and all I have to do is say:

Engage Warp drive ...
(as long as it doesn't regularly warp the front rotors like my Mrs BA XT!)

[T3ts50]

New E3 Pics have been released on Drive.

http://news.drive.com.au/photogaller...913-157qv.html

[HSE2]

New bonnet for Maloo.

[T3ts50]

And looks like new gills for Maloo aswell. Though I think that could be just the anniversary model.

Not too sure on the gauges on top of the new screen though.