Will the Holden brand survive?

[russellw]

Does it now mean it will be "football (including wimmen's or other codes); meat pies (including meat substitutes, vegan and Halal options); Kangaroos (including other native species and with acknowledgement of the traditional native hunters) and Opel / Vauxhall / Chevrolet cars"?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by russellw

Does it now mean it will be "football (including wimmen's or other codes); meat pies (including meat substitutes, vegan and Halal options); Kangaroos (including other native species and with acknowledgement of the traditional native hunters) and Opel / Vauxhall / Chevrolet cars"?

Opal and Vauxhall aren't even GM brands anymore. They were offloaded to PSA.

They will continue to sell some of the converted Chevs like Camaro and Silverado that they convert now, but that's a seperate entity from Holden as far as i am aware.

[BAWITHLOT]

Originally Posted by russellw

Does it now mean it will be "football (including wimmen's or other codes); meat pies (including meat substitutes, vegan and Halal options); Kangaroos (including other native species and with acknowledgement of the traditional native hunters) and Opel / Vauxhall / Chevrolet cars"?

Nope it will be "Football, Meatpies, Kangaroos and Asian cars".

Ford will be the next to go once Kia and Hyundai sort their utes out and those sales start to drop!

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by russellw

Does it now mean it will be "football (including wimmen's or other codes); meat pies (including meat substitutes, vegan and Halal options); Kangaroos (including other native species and with acknowledgement of the traditional native hunters) and Opel / Vauxhall / Chevrolet cars"?

Table tennis, bat soup, Pandas and Chinese cars?

Too soon?

[Mesa]

Noticed a couple of months back that the Holden signage out the front of the local Holden/Mitsubishi dealership had changed. Normally from the main road you could barely see the Mitsubishi signage unless you turned down the adjoining street. The Mitsubishi signage now it takes up more than half of the frontage.

[Mesa]

Wonder what this does to the classic car market long term? Will the price of the Holden desirables rise sharply over the next two years before people start to forget who they were and they begin to fall in price? Whats the flow on effect to other marques?

[Sprintey]

A couple of comments on CA in the Holden thread are quite perceptive, credit to 'Durp' and 'Jake' - they've picked something in the shift of the market that certainly didn't help Holden, with its reliance on the Aussie Commodore:

-"Falcon and commodore in particular were blasted by the media for being low tech, too big, poor fuel economy. Now we drive dual cabs instead...."

-"So true. Bigger and even "lower" tech"

I for one welcome separate chassis and live rear axles (and maybe even drum brakes). In 2020. For top dollar.

The joke really is on us.

[ratter]

This is bad news for all Australian new car buyers, competition was always a good thing, it gives buyers the choice, having no local brands now means we just get given what others think we will accept.

[marty351]

The bookend is finally in place.
Time to concentrate on developing an all electric tuk tuk for our growing and overpopulated cities.

[FairmontGS]

Personally, I have no interest in owning a dead brand. It was OK whilst Holden existed to own legacy models like Commodore, but not now.

Wouldn't be surprised if the value of collectable Holdens starts to come down now and pulls Ford GTs with it.

[The Snout]

We still have SSang Yong. It's even got SS in the name.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

People are already starting to ask the question.

http://www.watoday.com.au/business/n...13-p4z9gs.html

And there it is. Although all signs were pointing to the inevitable, I was somewhat numbed by today's announcement. A sad day for Australia.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

And there it is. Although all signs were pointing to the inevitable, I was somewhat numbed by today's announcement. A sad day for Australia.

This actually makes me Angry.

They are talking about 600 jobs losses at Holden.

There are 250 odd Holden dealers here in Australia, let’s roll that up and understand what the real number is ( including all of the support business job losses).

This was going to happen, but it’s terrible for our Australian Heritage.

[JG33]

A twitter message from ford

Ford Australia

1/1 - All of us here at Ford Australia are saddened to hear the news that Holden will cease operations. Holden is an iconic brand that holds a special place in the heart of many Australians, and has done so much to shape the Australian automotive industry and the country...


2/2 - Its vehicles have been worthy competitors both on road and on the racetrack. To our friends at Holden, thank you for keeping us on our toes and inspiring us to keep aiming higher. We will miss you.

[Mulva]

Originally Posted by JG33

A twitter message from ford

image

Ford Australia

1/1 - All of us here at Ford Australia are saddened to hear the news that Holden will cease operations. Holden is an iconic brand that holds a special place in the heart of many Australians, and has done so much to shape the Australian automotive industry and the country...


2/2 - Its vehicles have been worthy competitors both on road and on the racetrack. To our friends at Holden, thank you for keeping us on our toes and inspiring us to keep aiming higher. We will miss you.

Class (not sarcasm).

[DFB FGXR6]

On the December 2nd last year, Dave Buttner suddenly resigns with no explanation. I guess we know when the decision to retire the Holden brand was made.

A sad day for lovers of the brand but hardly a shock, the actions of GM over the last 18 months all to obvious this was going to happen. No sympathy from me, the brand only has it's self to blame.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

On the December 2nd last year, Dave Buttner suddenly resigns with no explanation. I guess we know when the decision to retire the Holden brand was made.

A sad day for lovers of the brand but hardly a shock, the actions of GM over the last 18 months all to obvious this was going to happen. No sympathy from me, the brand only has it's self to blame.

No sympathy for who? GM or the employees, dealers and the wider network, and even Holden fans in general?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by JG33

A twitter message from ford

image

Ford Australia

1/1 - All of us here at Ford Australia are saddened to hear the news that Holden will cease operations. Holden is an iconic brand that holds a special place in the heart of many Australians, and has done so much to shape the Australian automotive industry and the country...


2/2 - Its vehicles have been worthy competitors both on road and on the racetrack. To our friends at Holden, thank you for keeping us on our toes and inspiring us to keep aiming higher. We will miss you.

This is Noble 👍

[ipn]

[QUOTE=Fordman1;6401261]

"Australian Heritage".

American Heritage , get it Right !

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by ipn

"Australian Heritage".

American Heritage , get it Right !

You need to get your Quotes right first mate 👎

That’s a stupid cynical post.

Yes, Holden are a great Australian Brand, they made cars for this great country and employed many Australians for many years, they were one of our country’s great Icons.

Now they are basically gone.

Now go away and float your boat.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

You need to get your Quotes right first mate 👎

That’s a stupid cynical post.

Yes, Holden are a great Australian Brand, they made cars for this great country and employed many Australians for many years, they were one of our country’s great Icons.

Now they are basically gone.

Now go away and float your boat.

Couldn't agree more ,spot on . Never mind what has happened in the past few years with things Holden and Ford did or didn't do . That's not the really the issue here . The fact is that Holden built some bloody good cars for a demanding country for many decades and so did Ford .

Both companies built cars , wagons , utes , vans , luxury , coupe's and SUV's like Territory here with our people for our people and employed a lot of Aussies in the factories and via parts makers and dealerships . Most of the time while fighting big brother GM and Ford for development permissions and money .

In more recent times decisions could have been made that might not have been that great it seems but no-one can deny that the last cars that rolled off the factory floors ,mostly locally designed and developed via Holden's VE/VF Commodore and Ford's FG/FGX Falcon and Territory in particular are bloody beaut cars by any standard .

Like Fordman said ...Get it right , hugely Australian companies in reality no matter where the parent companies were located .

[ipn]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

You need to get your Quotes right first mate 👎

That’s a stupid cynical post.

Yes, Holden are a great Australian Brand, they made cars for this great country and employed many Australians for many years, they were one of our country’s great Icons.

Now they are basically gone.

Now go away and float your boat.

How about that .
Got your nose out of joint i see , you should remember me imo , you aka holdoff favors Tax Payer Funded "Parasite" vehicles , parasitism off tax payers for years and years by a American company Lol .

Name change for the forum soon i reckon creep , Cars never owned by Australia .
Cya

[lra]

As Holden died in 2017, the burial is well overdue. The carcass was rotten and stinking.

[XWGT]

It is also tied up with the sale of their plant in Thailand to Great Wall and other pull backs globally.
The bottom line is GM is globally under siege.

Currently, GMs global budget to develop EV and Hybrid vehciles is $13 billion
VAGs budget for the same time period is $54 billion

You dont have to be a mystic to predict where this is going to end up.

RIP old foe, but the truth be told you where sold up the river without a paddle.
Ford dedicated one of its 3 global engineering hubs here and provides great employment and tech development in Aus. GM invested nothing. Ever.

[Poetic Justice]

I mean they probably looked in to it but I’m surprised the brand and it’s dealer network wasn’t offloaded to a company that could feed a new and different product line to it rather than just wind it up completely.
The majority of service departments will likely stay because they’ll be linked to other brands I would imagine

[DFB FGXR6]

Holden's demise catches government by surprise

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news...2evXS3to3fO5cY

Holden's exit to cost GM $1.6 billion

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/hol...06HcpLccZ3gOJo

[CyberWasp]

GM are either the most brilliant car company in the world for being the only company to realise their is no money in RHD cars, or the dumbest, for being the only company that can't make money in RHD markets........

I suspect the later...

[Squalo]

The company existed for 164 years - founded in 1856. According to Wikipedia Holden even built Model T's in the early years - news to me.

So as an Aussie company they are really quite special. I owned, in order, an EH wagon, LJ Torana, EH sedan, LX Hatchback, HJ Premier, VK Director, VT Berlina. I've owned more Holdens than Fords

I would be happy to have any one of those cars today - actually, you can keep the VT, a good car but an AU is a far better car. The LX is the one I should never have sold.

I hope all of those directly and indirectly employed by Holden find work quickly.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Squalo

The company existed for 164 years - founded in 1856. According to Wikipedia Holden even built Model T's in the early years - news to me.

So as an Aussie company they are really quite special. I owned, in order, an EH wagon, LJ Torana, EH sedan, LX Hatchback, HJ Premier, VK Director, VT Berlina. I've owned more Holdens than Fords

I would be happy to have any one of those cars today - actually, you can keep the VT, a good car but an AU is a far better car. The LX is the one I should never have sold.

I hope all of those directly and indirectly employed by Holden find work quickly.

The issue with engineers in the automotive industry is they seem to be hired on a temp/casual basis for projects then they get let go between projects - there's no more perminent full time work for them available, if there is its rare as hens teeth.

[ratter]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The issue with engineers in the automotive industry is they seem to be hired on a temp/casual basis for projects then they get let go between projects - there's no more perminent full time work for them available, if there is its rare as hens teeth.

Many are employed full time, but yes there is contract engineers