Commodore to get 3.0L V6 - Page 3

kuzman89 · 13-06-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LPG EF2 GLI

Seriously sounds like there is something wrong with your car! I bet you're glad there are speed limits, seeing your car lacks the ability to shift gears. Seriously though, the alloytech is not as fuel-efficient as the old eco-tec, which to me indicates that it's a step backward. More technology should mean better fuel efficiency.

As to your comments regarding the similar fuel economy between the Commo and Falc, it may be similar with the VZ model, but not likely with the VE (200kg heavier!). And the VE's weight is on par with the Falcon, which goes to show how impressive Ford's fuel efficiency is.

The alloytec isn't as fuel efficient as the ecotech? What are you on about?

I drive a VE alloytec in manual and I get around 5l/100km on the freeway. Reaches peak torque at 2600, compared to the ecotechs 3600, dont know where people are getting this info from lol

Seems like everyones an internet expert all of a sudden lol

Daymoe · 13-06-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kuzman89

The alloytec isn't as fuel efficient as the ecotech? What are you on about?

I drive a VE alloytec in manual and I get around 5l/100km on the freeway. Reaches peak torque at 2600, compared to the ecotechs 3600, dont know where people are getting this info from lol

Seems like everyones an internet expert all of a sudden lol

Do the math yourself when you fill up the tank, I bet that the fuel calculator is out. No way in hell would something like a Commodore/Falcon get 5L/100km, freeway or not. 90% of my driving is in 100 zones and the best we've gotten out of Dad's 323 is just under 7L 100km.

kuzman89 · 13-06-2009, 08:31 PM

Not a stock intake, OTR, all holden need to do to improve fuel efficiency is an OTR.

galaxy xr8 · 13-06-2009, 08:54 PM

There is no way I will believe a Commodore VE V6 would achieve 5lrs/100 klm on the hwy either, I think you are telling porky's here mate, It aint going to happen.
My little laser will achieve 6ltrs/100 on hwy.

PoweredByCNG · 13-06-2009, 08:54 PM

The VZ sits on about 8L/100km on the open road, 12.5L/100km in city traffic and 11.5L/100km combined (all real world figures with 98RON PULP).

After the initial shift from 1st into 2nd, the rest of the gear shifts are practically imperceptible. I remember riding a friend's VE Omega and boy, the 4-speed auto in that was horrendous in comparison - flaring/surging from 1st to 2nd and thumping the rest of the way!

Regards,
Dave

PoweredByCNG · 13-06-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LPG EF2 GLI

Seriously sounds like there is something wrong with your car! I bet you're glad there are speed limits, seeing your car lacks the ability to shift gears.

It sits on 100km/h at well below 2000rpm in top gear just fine!

Regards,
Dave

kezzer · 14-06-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

There is no way I will believe a Commodore VE V6 would achieve 5lrs/100 klm on the hwy either, I think you are telling porky's here mate, It aint going to happen.
My little laser will achieve 6ltrs/100 on hwy.

I've seen it with my own eyes, ill upload some pics if kuz doesnt

**Fordman1** · 14-06-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kezzer

I've seen it with my own eyes, ill upload some pics if kuz doesnt

Easy set the trip computer to instant L / 100 km, and coast in Neutral.

OR

Reset the average, and do the above to update the average achieved while coasting.....

OR

Leave the car in gear and take the foot off the throttle whilst doing the above.

Take a pic....

Post on Australian Ford Forums...

Easy

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kezzer · 14-06-2009, 02:41 PM

Yeh seeing as I drive an FG I6

You guys are hilarious, I remember the disbelief from blue that an alloytec could rev upto 9k-10k. I bet if I said my FG was getting 5-6l/100km at 100km/h there would be mass celebration.

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I beat him from 0-100 (as I should his is over 3 years old lol) but without any mods so far he beats me in fuel economy. He will confirm but I think he has an OTR CAI, rear mufflers replaced and the 2inch section of his exhaust replaced.

Mr Hardware · 14-06-2009, 02:50 PM

no-one believes you. just stop trying.

My Commodore does 25L/100klms, beat that with a six.

**Falcon Coupe** · 14-06-2009, 02:51 PM

If the Commodore was that good on fuel they wouldn't be changing to a 3.0L engine.
A snapshot of cruise economy means nothing.

Can we now stop the ****ing contest and go back to facts.

Daymoe · 14-06-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kezzer

Yeh seeing as I drive an FG I6

You guys are hilarious, I remember the disbelief from blue that an alloytec could rev upto 9k-10k. I bet if I said my FG was getting 5-6l/100km at 100km/h there would be mass celebration.

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I beat him from 0-100 (as I should his is over 3 years old lol) but without any mods so far he beats me in fuel economy. He will confirm but I think he has an OTR CAI, rear mufflers replaced and the 2inch section of his exhaust replaced.

Figure it out manually, and I bet there will be no way you'll ever get 5L/100km, EVER.

kezzer · 14-06-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

If the Commodore was that good on fuel they wouldn't be changing to a 3.0L engine.

More of the fact holden wouldn't and couldn't warrant aftermarket stuff. Have any of you seen the VE air intake? So restrictive, how it gets any air into the the engine in the first place is beyond me.

: Its good though for you're average joe that dont know how to clean an air filter, let alone open the bonnet.

phillyc · 14-06-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kuzman89

The alloytec isn't as fuel efficient as the ecotech? What are you on about?

I drive a VE alloytec in manual and I get around 5l/100km on the freeway. Reaches peak torque at 2600, compared to the ecotechs 3600, dont know where people are getting this info from lol

Seems like everyones an internet expert all of a sudden lol

The magazines have quietly said for years that the trip computer in the Commodores have been optimistic. They are closer now, but still about 4% optimistic.

The worst were VY-VZ which showed up to 13% less consumption than actual.

Do yourself a favour. Fill it to the brim, reset the meter and refill when required. Then manually work it out. You will be unpleasantly suprised.

galaxy xr8 · 14-06-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kezzer

I've seen it with my own eyes, ill upload some pics if kuz doesnt

You can show me all the pic's you want, like I said I will and refuse to believe you, a stock commodore will not get that millage on the hwy.
Do us all a favour and stop trying to tell us, go and manually calculate it yourself and see for your own eyes.

ea90gl · 15-06-2009, 12:22 AM

Yeah and my neighbours 351 carb fed XD gets 7ltr/100kms. Honest Ill get a pick of him next to the bowser read out after a fill up and another one of him pointing at his trip meter to prove

PoweredByCNG · 15-06-2009, 01:20 AM

No Commodore or Falcon will return real life highway figures below 7-8L/100km. Honestly.

Regards,
Dave

Road_Warrior · 15-06-2009, 10:23 AM

I think the lowest instantaneous readout I've seen on my BA on the highway was in the 5's and 6's, but as I said that's the instantaneous readout which jumps all over the place depending on throttle position, headwinds etc. It could jump up to 8 or 9 or 10 especially if you start driving into a headwind. The BA (and the VE for that matter) aint the most aerodynamic car out on the town...

Wally · 15-06-2009, 10:30 AM

I think my air conditioner uses 5litre/100km all by itself.

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RG · 15-06-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

No Commodore or Falcon will return real life highway figures below 7-8L/100km. Honestly.

Regards,
Dave

You may want to clarify that by stating "No current model Falcon" as the old E series could do that easily.

kezzer · 15-06-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

a stock commodore will not get that millage on the hwy.

Its not stock

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Already cleared that up.

Even if its 4% out on the trip computers, still would see around 6l/100km at 100km an hour.

And filling it up isnt and calculating it yourself isnt really going to work is it? As he said Freeway driving, no fuel stations on the freeway

Laminge · 15-06-2009, 01:33 PM

What has most of this discussion got to do with the original topic.

Off topic posts will be deleted

kuzman89 · 17-06-2009, 10:01 AM

Hey guys, to be fair, I meant 5l/100km was around the best ive ever got, monaro on justcommodores has got 4.6l/100km at 100km/h.

Average on my way to bairnsdale and back (pure freeway driving, I live in narre) I get around 6l/100km if you round it up, sometimes climbs to 7 or 8 if its really windy though. I have an aftermarket OTR placed on my car, a/m mufflers and the hotdogs and 2" section cut out of my otherwise 2.25" stock exhaust. This is with only one passenger and an empty car, ie nothing in the back of the ute.

Getting back on topic, think its pretty much confirmed there will be the 3.0l and 3.6l DI variants.

For 3l to be viable I think holden would have to shed a few 100 kg of the wieght of the car, as 300nm is a joke for a 1700kg car. Still think that the 3.6l version will be more economical to run. If it wasnt so expensive I would be putting the w427 OTR CAI on all models as stock, this would truly kick a**e.

naddis01 · 17-06-2009, 11:21 PM

So how are they going to price the 3L? Surely it would have to be cheaper than the current Omega.

Fairlane · 17-06-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

So how are they going to price the 3L? Surely it would have to be cheaper than the current Omega.

Doubt it knowing Holden theyll shove an Eco badge or some such ****y name, chuck some alloys at and charge Berlina prices.

vztrt · 18-06-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

So how are they going to price the 3L? Surely it would have to be cheaper than the current Omega.

Theres the extra cost of the D.I. Also they'll price it against their opposition even if it was cheaper.

phillyc · 18-06-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Theres the extra cost of the D.I. Also they'll price it against their opposition even if it was cheaper.

Read somewhere a few months ago about the cost of going to DI. Apparently, it's in the order of just a few hundred bucks for someone like GMH or Ford.

vztrt · 19-06-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Read somewhere a few months ago about the cost of going to DI. Apparently, it's in the order of just a few hundred bucks for someone like GMH or Ford.

A few hundred dollars per car is big money. So I doubt they would be reducing the price of the car.

phillyc · 19-06-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

A few hundred dollars per car is big money. So I doubt they would be reducing the price of the car.

Exactly, they won't be lowering the price like someone suggested. No way.

Bossxr8 · 21-06-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Read somewhere a few months ago about the cost of going to DI. Apparently, it's in the order of just a few hundred bucks for someone like GMH or Ford.

It was around $1000 a year or 2 ago. Its not cheap technology. May have come down since then though.

A 3 litre in a VE, with less than 300nm of torque. Just what a lardarse like the VE needs, less torque.