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I think it pays to remember the Xyho was a supercar in its day, the fg is a great car, but certainly no supercar compared to its contemporaries. To be even mentioned together in this comparison is testament to the effort Ford put in to this car in '71..They are both great in their own way and maybe it's putting both of them down even having this debate. |
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In my experience on the track, N/A has an advantage in endurance, I have a few examples of late model turbo awd sports/track type cars that have blown up on track days after getting a high boost drag type tune/edit..its a completely different environment to street and 1/4 mile work.. |
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And the one that came second. And the one that came third. And the one that came forth......................... |
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side note, isn't it funny how everyone is referring to an xy as "light".Too many variables in racing so i will go 50/50 ...
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Turbo cars can be made to be reliable in endurance race conditions, but at a cost.
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![]() Stock factory performance is'nt my thing.. I was only speaking in general term's, with modified engine's you cant run as much boost for circuit endurance as you can with drag racing etc.. Im sure in factory spec it isnt an issue, In saying that, the turbo Ford's have alot more scope for safe performance improvement compared to an evo or sti, with the very low boost level's they run "as is" in comparison.. |
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For their time, they were considered heavy. |
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How much further off topic can this get??????????
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i dout Steven Johnson was hammering it as hard as alan moffatdid in 1972
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Were the P3 gutted back then so they would be lighter?
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Ha love this stuff...I don't know who would win , but if someone wants to swap a Phase 3 for my GT bring it.....lol...
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Good thread, nice info ehast.
The FG GT was also considerably slower than alot of other cars... all the Fords were slow. I don't know how that effects your comparison, but it seems the Fords were alot closer to factory than their competitors? Straight off the factory floor a standard NA XR6 (let alone the GT) would beat the P3 around a track, but that's expected. The only true measure of a car is how it compared to it's competitors in it's own era, but nevertheless, it's interesting to learn how good they were, and still are. Quote:
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Having been in an HO at full noise i must disagree, it pulled 240kph in top gear and had more in it, didn't take long to get there either. What would an XR6 pull on conrod ? |
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Wheels did a test in about 1993 and they compared several cars around Bathurst. It was done to celebrate Ford releasing the EB2 S-XR8 as they were originally known (before becoming just XR8).
The cars compared were XY GT P3, VH SS GrpA, VP SS, EB S-XR8. All cars were very similar in outright lap times. Within a few seconds. From memory, the EB was the quickest with something like a 2m59s. The opinion was that if the VH has a 5th gear it would've been the quickest. But, it didn't. The later cars had the better balance and brakes which made up for the lack of absolute power to weight.
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Last weekend There were also the 6cyl saloon cars(Vt's and Au's ) racing there as a suppory category, pole time was a 6cyl VT with a 2.39sec lap. The 12Hr FG's very very slow, i was very disappointed. they should have been in the 34's-35's NOT in the 40's-42's |
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here is the 2008 12hr qualifying times...go the BF XR8 !
1 43 Alan East Motorsport David Wall (NSW) Mitsubishi Evo 9 GSR 1999 A 10 6 2:30.3179* 2 20 Eastern Creek Karts P/L Paul Morris (QLD) BMW 335i 5000 B 15 12 2:30.4696 0:00.1517 3 29 VIP Petfoods (Aust) PL Klark Quinn (QLD) Mitsubishi Evo 9 RS 2000 A 15 10 2:31.1157 0:00.7978 4 87 SKWIRK.com D.White/G.Alexander Mitsubishi Evo 9 1998 A 16 4 2:31.4449 0:01.1270 5 33 Pro-Duct Pty Ltd Bob Pearson (NSW) Mitsubishi Evo 8 2000 A 15 8 2:31.4862 0:01.1683 6 34 Mark King M.King/M.Brame Mitsubishi Evo 8 2000 A 20 12 2:31.8746 0:01.5567 7 11 Rondo / CIS Group S.Owen/L.Crambrook BMW 335i 5000 B 20 17 2:31.9020 0:01.5841 8 80 Coopers/Brock Harcourts M.Brock/G.Young/ J.Elsegood Mitsubishi Evo 8 1997 A 18 17 2:31.9808 0:01.6629 9 25 WBR / Gizmo / Laminex K.Kratzman/I.Tulloch/ B.Collins Subaru 03 WRX Sti 1994 A 14 6 2:33.9542 0:03.6363 10 5 Donut King Paul Freestone (VIC) Holden HSV GTS 5665 B 11 9 2:34.0264 0:03.7085 11 26 Wilson Brothers Racing D.Schulz/A.Knight/ J.Winslow Subaru 03 WRX Sti 1994 A 17 6 2:34.3469 0:04.0290 12 1 Jack Daniels S.Price/N.Pretty Holden Sportswagon 5967 D 13 12 2:35.4386 0:05.1207 13 24 Walden Motorsport / Syd Fab Garth Walden (NSW) Holden Commodore VZ 5665 D 15 10 2:35.5249 0:05.2070 14 21 Century 21 C.Delfsma/J.Bowe Ford BF XR8 5400 D 13 8 2:35.7205 0:05.4026 15 71 G & D Performance D.Mertens/L.Mertens/ T.Wyhoon Holden VY HSV GT 5667 B 18 17 2:36.5111 0:06.1932 16 91 Humes G.Deane/R.Rubis/ R.Dawson Subaru WRX Sti 2000 A 19 11 2:36.7234 0:06.4055 17 3 XEETEC L.Searle/P.Kelly BMW 130 2996 C 17 17 2:36.8027 0:06.4848 18 17 V8 Race Experience J.Spychala/L.Yelland/ A.Saliba Ford GTP Falcon 5408 B 16 6 2:37.3234 0:07.0055 19 9 The Car Stockade/Blue Oval Gar D.Heath/W.Luff Ford BF XR8 5408 D 13 4 2:40.2824 0:09.9645 20 36 Grand Prix Mazda J.Camilleri/S.Nicholas/ T.Sipp Mazda 3 MPS 3844 C 18 5 2:40.3477 0:10.0298 21 10 Lotus Cars Australia M.O'Connor/A.Fisher/ R.Buttrose Lotus Exige 1796 B 16 3 2:42.9702 0:12.6523 22 27 The Shire Conveyancer A.Shephard/D.Cribbin/ L.Cave Mazda 3 MPS 2260 C 17 4 2:44.2957 0:13.9778 23 13 Osborne Motorsport C.Osborne/N.Bates/ J.Roecken Toyota Celica 1796 E 15 15 2:44.5115 0:14.1936 24 16 Sherrin Motorsport I.Sherrin/M.Sherrin/ G.Sherrin BMW 130i 2966 C 13 11 2:44.9266 0:14.6087 25 94 Aporschapart R.Howe/D.Neville Ford Falcon XR6 T 3984 D 11 7 2:45.8799 0:15.5620 26 72 True Blue Motorsport A.Letcher/N.Callaghan/ C.Harvey Toyota Celica E 18 10 2:47.4710 0:17.1531 27 68 Queensland House and Land.com R.Thomsen/G.Willis Lotus Exige 1794 B 16 15 2:49.2649 0:18.9470 28 14 Hankook Tyres / Disc Brakes Au P.Conroy/T.Conroy/ C.Schembri Honda Integra Type S 1998 E 17 7 2:50.4768 0:20.1589 29 31 Osborne Motorsport Hadrian Morrall (NSW) Toyota Celica 1796 E 9 3 2:50.6018 0:20.2839 30 7 Aussie Stop Leak D.Turner/R.Prince Honda Integra Type R 1798 E 19 5 2:53.1419 0:22.8240 31 77 Thomson Alfa D.Filipetto/N.Gotch/ W.Vinckx Alfa Romeo 147 JTD 1910 H 13 6 2:53.5953 0:23.2774 32 88 Jim Hunters Suspension J.Hunter/W.Bossie Subaru Impreza RS 2495 F 11 4 2:55.4709 0:25.1530 33 93 Lubrimaxx D.Harris/N.Lange/ L.Kearns Proton Satrina Gti 1800 F 15 14 2:58.0050 0:27.6871 34 40 Kangan Batman TAFE/Hankook Tyr R.Buckingham/ J.Augustine/B.Youlden/ G.Sticker Hyundai Sonata 2359 F 16 2 3:01.2178 0:30.8999 8 Paul Wakeling Holden Steve Briffa (NSW) Holden Commodore 5700 D |
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There's more to the times though of the FG GT, I doubt that a VY Clubby can be 10 seconds quicker, and I have trouble believing the mazda3mps is 4 seconds quicker... something isn't adding up. What makes it even more bewildering is all the Fords were slower again? Can someone confirm these weren't seasoned track cars? The numbnut (whoever it was) that said "I'm over the p3" should give himself an uppercut. Of course it doesn't drive better, but neither does a 1937 Bugatti Type 57S which sold for $4.5 million... it's heritage. ![]() |
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those tyres were crap, no they werent these ones are better,
the PH3 was severely understated in its power, no it was the dyno readout with loose straps. the stock clevo spun to 7500 rpm , or was it 5800. the 351 was faster than the boss 315, not it wasnt . todays FGGT would easily win the race, the PH3 was heaps faster than what they said , they lied , no they didnt. WOW would you look at that . 50 POSTS WRAPPED UP INTO ONE !!! |
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interesting to see that J.Bowe put the BF XR8 around in 2:35 last year. I might have just answered the question. Obviously The FG's werent being pushed too hard or weren't that well set up for the track.
Interesting to see that the #17 FG gT's fastest race lap was line ball with it's qualifying time. On a side note. The comparo between VPSS, EB XR8, VH grpIII and Phase three was won by the phase three. Not by much but it was hardly a sprint. Even on old aquejets, no cage, etc it pulled a 2:58 Some interesting stuff. In 1970, Wheels tested the Latest Lamborghini Countach. It pulled a 14.1 quarter mile with 0 - 100mph in 14.9. The same issue they tested the phase 2 and it pulled a 14.2 with 0-100mph in 15.6. To have the same effect today, an FG GT (GTHO???) would have to match a lamborghini.... The phase 3 was a beast |
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you cant really compare the fg to the xy, but for probably most of the members on here, that have never been in one or driven one and will never have the hair stand up on the the back of the neck feeling that the xy had , modern cars will never have it no matter how much money is poured into them, not taking anything away from other gt`s all good, but the xy was a great car in its time and will never be cloned, HO DOWN THE HUME was a favourite ho story for me , it sorta gives a feel for the car, yes that was ho not hoe
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The FG GT is not better than the Ph3, and vice versa.
The playing field has changed since 1971. Emissions, safety, comfort, tyres, etc etc, are all light years apart with them. The Ph3 was the ultimate Aussie muscle car in its day (I can hear XU1 and E49 owners arguing already), just like the FG GT is the ultimate V8 Ford Australia make at the moment. Sure, the FG may not ever be worth big bucks in years to come like the Ph3 has, but thats got more to do with racing heritage than anything and thats a side effect of the current V8 Supercar rules. So does one have to be better than the other? I can't decide, so I will have both thanks. |
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i have to say this . if the FG GT . HAS MORE POWER ,HIGHER REVS, than its predecessors , and gets a better wrap off the mags with track times etc . then why is it slower at bathurst , than a BF XR8. FFS.
I SEE HOLDENS ARE DOING BETTER TIMES TOO. for me , i think sales will be effected to some degree here . somethings wrong . ARE WE BEING MISS LED BY FORD . and where was the F6 310 KING ??? |
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