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08-11-2020, 12:15 PM | #7471 | ||
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Main problem is Nauru is not Australian soil. It is too far and too small to handle and support thousands of people a week coming back, with turnover every 2 weeks. Basically a bad idea on all fronts.
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08-11-2020, 12:21 PM | #7472 | |||
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Isn't that what these places are supposed to be for, quarantine.
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08-11-2020, 01:17 PM | #7473 | ||
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You know that it is not our decision? What do you think Nauru would say after what happened in Vic quarantine? You also have to charter flights to go there, it’s not like any of the currently scheduled flights go to Nauru, they are picking up passengers and delivering airfreight (both ways) on return flights. And anyway, why on earth when you know such a high percentage of travellers are positive would you want them so far away from an Australian hospital? As i said, won’t happen, shouldn’t happen.
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08-11-2020, 02:09 PM | #7474 | |||
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Sorry. It's actually Christmas Island where the Tamil Family is being Held at a cost $27 Million... https://www.sbs.com.au/news/christma...in-four-people It's a pity they aren't so Committed about COVID in Aged care facilities.. |
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08-11-2020, 02:27 PM | #7475 | ||
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08-11-2020, 06:46 PM | #7476 | ||
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I hope Joe Biden's Covid 19 Taskforce hits the ground running in January ..
I think the last three or four days in the USA has seen in excess of 100,000 cases a day . My nearest city in Tassie is Launceston and that's about 100,000 so that puts it into perspective of how many people that gets infected over 24 hours there.. Crazy . |
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08-11-2020, 08:17 PM | #7477 | |||
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There isn't as much reporting on number of daily deaths either and there is the thought that the virus is getting weaker as it mutates. Reports of side effects aren't really taking off either so while there are side effects known, it probably affects only a handful of cases. The longer it goes on the more data there is to go by. Some of the decision making is like it's still the initial outbreak.
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09-11-2020, 03:00 AM | #7478 | ||
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Goodbye, ring of steel.
Every longer journey I made in NSW during this period was tinged with a sense of guilt and sadness that freedom was not equally given across the country. I took very few photos on the road and shared even less, trying to empathetically see travel as incidental - not recreational. Roll on November 23rd, when we will have four states and two territories fully meshed again. |
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09-11-2020, 05:44 AM | #7479 | ||
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are you excited, you typed it twice
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09-11-2020, 07:38 AM | #7480 | |||
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They aren't doing as bad as some EU countries but their 10 day average has been more than 100,000 new cases and 1,000 deaths per day and over the last 14 days they have recorded more than 400 cases per 100k of population. Australia has been 0.6 cases / 100k in the last 14 days and even the worst 14-day period we have had was only 23.8 cases / 100k. I don't look at the short term mortality data but over the duration America has recorded 73 deaths / 100k population which is on par with some EU countries like the UK (71) and Argentina (73) but well ahead of our 3.55/100k. Indeed, only Belgium (108), Peru (105) and Spain (83) have a higher mortality rate than the USA and I suspect the recent data would show a similar pattern. It's probably fair to say that the global CMR is falling slightly - it's currently at 2.5% but the case rates (644.5) and mortality rates (16.1) per 100k are both trending upward. I'm not even sure that we can call the longer term impact as being 'isolated cases' yet given the absence of any in-depth research and the relatively short time frame.
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09-11-2020, 08:37 AM | #7481 | |||
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You cant have it both ways, if we want the media reporting on facts they shouldn't sensationalise either way. The recent case they reported was a perfect example, the headline was about the super fit "marathon runner". This had people on here questioning how Covid would effect her running career, when in the details she was a health care worker who went on a few fun runs. An article to sensationalise? Or designed to install fear from a medical insider to try to make the younger, fitter general public take the condition more seriously? I will take the first, but the second is not out of the realms. This would be the most studied medical issue ever, with every possible medical resource looking at it, if there is an absence of "in depth research" I would really worry about what the medical fraternity was doing. I have faith that they would already be able to identify the signs if there was something genuine to worry about as far as significant ongoing problems. What we have outside of the regular symptoms is a very small number of young people with an inflammatory response, and everything else seems like it is a regular infection, that is one of the most contagious we have seen, that is far more easily spread in winter climates.
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09-11-2020, 08:56 AM | #7482 | ||
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Speaking of the USA, it's been awhile since I looked at the State based data but it contains some surprises.
The ten worst hit States account for more than half (52.5%) of the total cases and 57% of the total deaths. Texas overtakes California for the top spot ahead of Florida, New York, Illinois (+1), Georgia (-1), N Carolina (+2), Tennessee (+2), Wisconsin (+13) and New Jersey (-2). Most of those have CMR's around 1.8-2.1% except New York and New Jersey which are both over 6%. Connecticut and Massachusetts are the only other States over 5%. The worst hit states yesterday were Illinois (12k), Wisconsin (7k), Michigan (7.5k), Texas (6k) and Ohio (5.5k) but overall the worst hit States are North Dakota (7,133 cases per 100k of population); South Dakota (6,135); Wisconsin (4,570), Alabama (4,149); Iowa (4,805); Mississippi (4,238) and Nebraska (4,220). In terms of deaths per 100k of population the worst affected have been New Jersey (185); New York (172); Massachusetts (145); Connecticut (131); Louisiana (130); Rhode Island (116) and Mississippi (115). Just for comparison Australia has had 108 cases and 3.5 deaths per 100k of population.
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09-11-2020, 09:04 AM | #7483 | |||
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I'm not calling it either way frankly, because it is too early to tell. We know, from other similar virus outbreaks, that there is typically long term lung damage and other shorter term issues but until there is empirical data and longer term (which means years) studies, we'll be left guessing as to what those impacts are and what percentage of people it affects.
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09-11-2020, 09:20 AM | #7484 | ||
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09-11-2020, 09:38 AM | #7485 | ||
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Hopefully the Biden administration will reinstate all the US CDC operations in China that Trump demolished prior to the outbreak. I think they went from 50+ staff to 15 (not include local staff hired to help) and closed down a whole heap of sites which was supposed to act as monitoring and alerting stations. Why the hell would you do that?
Outbreaks are going to increase as population grows, and people and wildlife co-habitat. Bird flu, pig flu etc all partly due to over crowding. |
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09-11-2020, 09:40 AM | #7486 | ||
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I meant all of Europe, not some countries....
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09-11-2020, 09:51 AM | #7487 | ||
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Yes, All of Europe - just like all of the United (lol) States.
There is not much difference in the way they handle things, individual US states have their individual Governors, a similar dispersion of power to the sovereign (again - lol) states of the EU. At the moment, Europe is twice as bad as the US. Regardless of their political bent, France is left, Belgium is right, and they are both monumental disasters. But for some reason their governmental responses in our media gets no negative press. Because, you know, it's Europe, and they are all so enlightened and so much more evolved than anything as crude as us........ And the US (with Trump's dangerous lies as a figurehead) is absolutely shocking, so use that as perspective.
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09-11-2020, 10:14 AM | #7488 | |||
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He shouldn't bring that up as and argument, and no one should take pot shot guesses or instil fear when the is no proof as you say, and no emerging trend. I have no doubt there is some effect, of course there is - every other respiratory ailment does. But throwing it in as an apparent "extra" danger is just guesswork. You can't have it both ways. The mortality rates are already overstated. We had no where near the detection rates of early infections, but deaths were captured reasonably well. But there is NO appetite by the medical statistician's to correct anything. There seems to be a wish to make it look bad so the dumb public listens. We can really only trust mortality rates from the last 3-4 month forward.
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09-11-2020, 11:55 AM | #7489 | ||
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Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 8th, 2020.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages. 6 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.280% while active cases drop to 1,305. NSW recorded 3 and SA recorded 3 cases. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 9th consecutive day. 6 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.261% and active cases rise to 48. The UK had a lower 20,572 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 156 deaths. Just under 127k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,031 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.388% and active cases rise to 34.3% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.4M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: (it's the weekend again) Global cases set a new record high of 623,365 (6/11); The USA completes 157M and India 117M tests. Albania (501) - for the 6th consecutive day; North Macedonia (1,283); Azerbaijan (1,663); Lithuania (1,980); and Georgia (2,901) - for the 6th consecutive day; ... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.
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09-11-2020, 12:59 PM | #7490 | |||
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It's still early days but there are definitely long-term consequences and millions of people are going to be affected. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2020100821133 |
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09-11-2020, 01:57 PM | #7491 | |||
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09-11-2020, 02:05 PM | #7492 | |||
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All it can come up with is that people over 70 come out of it with cognitive issues. Of course they would, most people over 70 that have a serious disease of any type can struggle, my dad was never the same after being sick at 78, went from bright and alert to gone 2 years later. As i have posted before, studies in the flu shows nearly the same results to the same age bracket. I am not disputing Covid is serious - it is worse than flu, and that if you have a pre existing ( perhaps unknown) issue you can be in trouble. But there is too much chicken little going on. If it was as bad as what the sky is falling people are saying there would be hundreds upon hundreds of stories of aussies unable to get out of be still, those stories are not there. The media would be all over it. We have at an absolute bare minimum 25000 people who have recovered. Some people just want this to be worse that what any evidence shows.
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09-11-2020, 02:29 PM | #7493 | ||
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it can have long lasting health effects, even for the healthy, who survive - they nay-sayers are not discussing this FACT for some reason
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09-11-2020, 09:44 PM | #7495 | ||
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Had the worst cold of my life the last 3 days. Bad fever, next level aches and coughing. Was not well at all. Got tested at the first sign of it on Friday, was SURE i was going to be that one dick who ruined the streak but alas someone else will get to wear that badge.
As usual, no sympathy from the mrs "man flu blah blah blah", not gonna lie kinda wanted it to be covid to prove a point for once. Anyhow thats my pointless fortnightly post boys, I'm off. |
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09-11-2020, 09:51 PM | #7496 | ||
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Better luck next time.
I hear you on the lack of female sympathy; “Never mind you’re feeling sick, you haven’t asked how my day was!” |
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10-11-2020, 06:22 AM | #7497 | ||
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the trick is is to never cry wolf, I get the sympathy I deserve when I deserve it
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10-11-2020, 08:43 AM | #7498 | ||
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I'd been wondering why the numbers for our region (Oceania) had been climbing steadily when ours were going down and the answer to that question seems to be French Polynesia - a cluster of 118 islands (67 inhabited) with Tahiti having 70% of the ~280k population.
They had a few isolated cases back in March and then absolutely nothing until early August where the numbers started to climb. They don't report every day so the numbers are patchy but there were 509 cases in August; 1,279 in September; 5,410 in October and 2,733 thus far in October. In total, they have recorded 9,995 cases, mostly since August, with an infection rate of 3,558 per 100k of population; a death rate of 13.88/100k and a CMR of 0.4%. It's a good example of what can happen on island groups which have the advantage of being able to readily isolate but also the disadvantage of rapid spread once infection gets into the community. There are other examples. Guadeloupe, another group of 12 islands in the Caribbean with a population ~400k had about 100 cases back in March and then nothing until late July and has had almost 8k cases since. The infection rate is 1,975 per 100k of population; death rate 33.2/100k and the CMR is 1.68%.
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10-11-2020, 09:49 AM | #7499 | ||
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The Pfizer vaccine, BNT162b2, has shown to be 90% effective in widespread trials and approval for use is expected to be granted this month. The fact that these results are being released just after the US election is sure to be controversial.
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