Covid 19 -

[AlanD]

There is an interesting opinion piece in the New York Times about Covid vaccinations by a virologist at the Georgetown University Medical Centre. (Angela L Rasmussen) It throws a beam of light on the business. Go here if you want to read the article in full:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/o...nsmission.html

I found the following pair of paragraphs illuminating ( and they reinforced my understanding!):

"When scientists develop a vaccine against a novel virus, it’s difficult to predict whether vaccination will completely prevent infection — what’s called sterilizing immunity. If the Covid-19 vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity, it means a vaccinated person can still inhale enough of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to develop an infection, and it will be swiftly cleared from the body before becoming Covid-19, but that person could still pass the infection to another person.

There are many vaccines that do not provide fully sterilizing immunity but nonetheless have huge public health benefits. Every year, the flu vaccine saves lives and keeps people out of the hospital despite the fact that it doesn’t prevent infection altogether."

When the vaccine is available I will get vaccinated. Three reasons:

1. The available evidence suggests that, should I get infected, the likelihood of then progressing to the disease is much lower than it otherwise would be, and
2. The period when I might be infectious to others is limited to a much shorter period, and
3. Being vaccinated will enhance my freedoms, mainly because travelling will be easier - especially across or away from Australia. I expect the majority of airlines will end up requiring passengers to show vaccination evidence before boarding - if they have not already.

Eventually, if enough people get vaccinated, the business of suppression will kick in (like it has with polio and small pox) and the risk factor will drop towards zero.

If your choice is to avoid or delay vaccination, and I will defend your right to do either, I offer that you are increasing your risk factor above what it other wise might be.

One report I have read suggests severe adverse reactions (anaphylaxis) run at 11.1 per million vaccinations. I judge that as a reasonable risk for me.

Cheers

[Citroënbender]

Another NYT browser.

The opinion piece below was referred to me by a close friend, he ultimately lost his father in NY (who had dementia) to coronavirus. It doesn’t offer answers but reflects on many problems raised by this nexus of age-related affliction and epidemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/19/o...-dementia.html

I will personally delay vaccination for so long as possible, ideally three years from date of public release. That’s ample time to show up any gross issues with it.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by AlanD

I found the following pair of paragraphs illuminating ( and they reinforced my understanding!):

"When scientists develop a vaccine against a novel virus, it’s difficult to predict whether vaccination will completely prevent infection — what’s called sterilizing immunity. If the Covid-19 vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity, it means a vaccinated person can still inhale enough of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to develop an infection, and it will be swiftly cleared from the body before becoming Covid-19, but that person could still pass the infection to another person.

There are many vaccines that do not provide fully sterilizing immunity but nonetheless have huge public health benefits. Every year, the flu vaccine saves lives and keeps people out of the hospital despite the fact that it doesn’t prevent infection altogether."

And I think this is why gov should be doing more to educate people on how the vaccine works. A lot of people automatically assume the vaccine stops you from getting it and transmitting it, so when they read a scientific journal (or hear someone else on the internet refer to it) they think gov has been lying to them, and hence born a new anti CV19 vaxxer.

[ford71V8]

Putting 4X the amount into the arm of elderly people wont help public opinion.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Putting 4X the amount into the arm of elderly people wont help public opinion.

I admit to a degree of sympathy for the practitioner who has basically been thrown under a bus. There would be a lot of pressure on everyone involved to get vaccinations happening.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I admit to a degree of sympathy for the practitioner who has basically been thrown under a bus. There would be a lot of pressure on everyone involved to get vaccinations happening.

Yeah I reckon when he tops up his car with oil he fills the engine up to the cap.......

It scares me that doctors are actually no smarter than the rest of the community, they just went to a school longer.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Yeah I reckon when he tops up his car with oil he fills the engine up to the cap.......



It scares me that doctors are actually no smarter than the rest of the community, they just went to a school longer.

They are multi dose vials. Not your usual flu jabs where its one vial per person.
The doc didn't undertake the training so he wasn't aware. Very lucky they caught it after 2 people.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

They are multi dose vials. Not your usual flu jabs where its one vial per person.
The doc didn't undertake the training so he wasn't aware. Very lucky they caught it after 2 people.

I don't really understand this; if he didn't know how much to use then he should have got the information he needed. If he was given wrong information then he's off the hook. They say doctors bury their mistakes. In this case that hasn't happened, both patients are still ok as far as I know.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

They are multi dose vials. Not your usual flu jabs where its one vial per person.
The doc didn't undertake the training so he wasn't aware. Very lucky they caught it after 2 people.

Yeah oil comes in 5 litre containers, you don't pour it all in.

I saw on the news that there were 5 doses per vial. I saw on the news that they are wasting 1 shot per vial as we cannot get the custom needles that get the full use of each vial.

We should not be "lucky" that a doctor would just shoot whatever amount into only two people without any understanding, you are being way too kind to him or her.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 23rd, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

7 new case for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.141%.

6 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.100% and active cases 54.

The UK had 8,489 cases yesterday and 548 deaths.

Just under 62k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,376 deaths sees CMR up to 1.778%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
None

No countries (for the 2nd consecutive day)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Most countries are now running 10 day average case numbers below their 90th percentile but there are exceptions including:

Asia: Iraq, Indonesia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Sri Lanka, Palestine, Malaysia and Jordan.
Europe: Greece, Moldova, Albania, Finland, Latvia, Malta, Estonia, Slovakia and Czechia.
South America: Brazil, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay.
North America: Only Cuba.
Africa: Nigeria, Ethiopia, Zambia, Ghana, Mozambique, Senegal and the Ivory Coast.

[Work Horse]

A year on they are still out there

Millions dead, tens of millions infected, health systems over run in first world countries, morgues unable to keep up with demand, bodies stored in freezer trucks and who knows the long term psychological damage.

And some still believe it was all made up for some farcical conspiracy theory they can not actually articulate.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

health systems over run in first world countries

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...g+during+covid

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

A year on they are still out there

Millions dead, tens of millions infected, health systems over run in first world countries, morgues unable to keep up with demand, bodies stored in freezer trucks and who knows the long term psychological damage.

And some still believe it was all made up for some farcical conspiracy theory they can not actually articulate.

“They” also only pick out titbits, from social media or Dr. Joe Blogg holding up the bar, at their local... All to suit their misguided conspiracy agendas!
Get out in the REAL world and experience what’s REALLY going on!
I was in Mexico yesterday, and flew back here today via Guatemala... (unfortunately for Visa renewal reasons)
Mexico city is on it’s knees hospitality wise... No bars, restaurants open... Death toll is like 180,000... In talking to people on the plane from Guatemala, it’s been hell there also... I live in Costa Rica, I thought things had been tough... Nothing like Mexico, Brazil and many others...
You friggin expert armchair conspiracy theorists are just plain Stupid!!
But... Continue on with your pathetic blinkered existence.... She’ll be right mate eh??

[MITCHAY]

With a more conected world you'd hope people are more informed but it's also just another vector for creating more misinformed people.

There is a difference between having opposing views and just believeing in outright BS

[T3rminator]

What happens if we can't get vaccination rates up where it should be? 70 to 80% is what is needed I heard.
Reading some of the comments on social media I think we are going to struggle. Health officials and politicians promoting the vaccine are being bombarded with a lot of negative views. Where did they all come from?!

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What happens if we can't get vaccination rates up where it should be? 70 to 80% is what is needed I heard.
Reading some of the comments on social media I think we are going to struggle. Health officials and politicians promoting the vaccine are being bombarded with a lot of negative views. Where did they all come from?!

Research other than MSM i suppose........

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 24th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

2 new case for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.141%.

2 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.099% and active cases 62.

The UK had 9,938 cases yesterday and 442 deaths.

Just under 71k new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,440 deaths sees CMR up to 1.782%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 113M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Global deaths pass 2.5M, the last 50k in 6 days;
Europe passes 800k deaths.

South Sudan (348); and
Réunion (655);

.. recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Sweden, France, Lebanon and Montenegro move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while Libya and the Ivory Coast drop below.

[falcon_bandit]

Most of our cases have started from overseas visitors right?

So Charlie wool your part of the problem then, rack off back to costa

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Most of our cases have started from overseas visitors right?

So Charlie wool your part of the problem then, rack off back to costa

He never came here. He (reluctantly) went from Costa Rica to Mexico and back.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Most of our cases have started from overseas visitors right?

So Charlie wool your part of the problem then, rack off back to costa

How about you re read Charlie's post again ?

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Most of our cases have started from overseas visitors right?

So Charlie wool your part of the problem then, rack off back to costa

You DO know where Costa Rica is??....
It’s just sort of off the coast of Australia, on the Pacific side... (sh it.... on a clear day, I almost see Far Nth Qld from where I live!)
And, yes... I just jet-set in and out of Oz at my hearts content during Covid, for a beer with the boys. OR to witness birth of grandkids, OR to attend close mates funerals!.... (Just like the professional tennis players and celebs)
(You’re a classic example of having no feckin idea about the realities of the Covid effect on people outside of Australia!)

[FTE217]

Reviewing Russells Global figures just shows how damn LUCKY we are being an island farfar away and able to lock outsiders out (barring the ones coming back weekly).......
Considering the countless F ups by our Authorities and others we citizens are living day to day life pretty ok.
Please excuse my terrible grammer and/or spelling errors in advance AND do not Thank the post.

[falcon_bandit]

Haha. Damn.

[russellw]

Yes, Mexico (and Brazil) are doing it tough.

Mexico has just over 2M cases; 181k deaths and a CMR of 8.859% all of which equals 1,591 cases per 100k population and 141 deaths per 100k. Their 10 day average is still more than 6,000 cases and 1,200 deaths per day - in fact their 3 highest days of mortality have all been in the last month. On the plus side that's well down on their mid January numbers when they were averaging 17,000 cases per day.

Brazil (with about twice the population of Mexico) has just over 22M cases (11x more); 250k deaths and a CMR of 2.422% all of which equals 4,858 cases per 100k population and 117 deaths per 100k. Their 10 day average is still more than 50,000 cases and 1,100 deaths per day. They are perhaps fortunate that their CMR is relatively low.

[Tickford.]

We are lucky that most of our state Premiers have had a backbone, and did what is right by the people of Australia, rather than doing what's popular and trying to win a popularity contest for themselves.

Except for one Premier, who continually kept sprouting utter bull****, even went as far as stating "children under 12 have been proven not to be carriers or transmitters of the disease.", well and truly after it was proven that children under 12 do in fact carry, and do transmit Covid-19.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

We are lucky that most of our state Premiers have had a backbone, and did what is right by the people of Australia, rather than doing what's popular and trying to win a popularity contest for themselves.

Except for one Premier, who continually kept sprouting utter bull****, even went as far as stating "children under 12 have been proven not to be carriers or transmitters of the disease.", well and truly after it was proven that children under 12 do in fact carry, and do transmit Covid-19.

The same premier you throw shade at has not only had to deal with getting the bulk of Aussies home but also balanced the concerns of health and economy.

Sorry QLD and WA premiers have taken the easy route IMO. WA doesn't worry as much as they have huge exports but the tourism sector in QLD is in deep ****.

All odds are that McGowan will win by a landslide as did Palaszczuk. Even Scomos approval is through the roof.

If you think Melbourne lock down was bad economically, if Sydney and the rest of NSW were locked down it would be far worse than that by a lot.

[falcon_bandit]

I feel like I'm in an episode of Mrs browns boys

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

I feel like I'm in an episode of Mrs browns boys

Hey... I’ve never dressed up as an old biddy!
Great show though... Saw them live in Melbourne, well BC (BC= before covid)

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 25th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

8 new case for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.140%.

3 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.098% and active cases 56.

The UK had 9,885 cases yesterday and 323 deaths, the third consecutive day under 10k cases.

Just over 75.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,339 deaths sees CMR up to 1.789%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA passes 29M cases

Estonia (1,154);

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Hungary and Chile move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while no countries drop below.

[T3rminator]

COVID-19 vaccine doses thrown out at Melbourne aged care home after bungled cool storage

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...ribee/13195424


I never understood why some countries needed to hoard 3 times more the dosage than what they actually need, but this could be one reason.

What are the odds that the next bungle will be in WA?

Good news elsewhere, up to 50k allowed at the G for the footy.....can't wait!