Ford: V8 time is over

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by XWGT

The guy is head of development for a sensational 1 litre turbo engine that has just won engine of the year.

Terrific to see that the petrol engine manufacturers are finally taking engine development seriously much as the diesel engine manufacturers did with common rail etc. This is a great engine.

I'd be interested to see how efficient small V8's could be made if given the tens of millions of dollars (and pounds) of R&D money thrown at the brown coal (electric) developers?

[BHDOGS]

all i can picture is Rainier Wolfcastle from the simpsons yelling V8 TIME IS OVER then ripping a v8 engine in half

[Rodge]

Jaguar have just released a supercharged V6 3.0 litre engine which they're claiming is just as good as the NA 5.0 V8 now no longer on offer. New engine is 250 kw's and 450 nm's compared to 283 kw and 515 nm's for the outgoing NA V8. Fuel consumption is 9.4 L'100 km vs 11.3L/100. What they don't tell you is that most of the gains in efficiency come from the new 8 speed ZF with stop start technology which if fitted to the NA 5.0 V8 would have given around 10.0 L/100 km's with beautiful smooth NA 5.0 power and torque.

Jaguar are trying to convince people this new high pressure forced induction 3.0 engine is a suitable replacement for its NA 5.0 V8. Sorry that would be a fail in my books. Its actually heavier, makes considerably less power and torque and longevity will probably be compromised at least to some extent with the forced induction at high pressure to make those numbers. Jaguar are in full "corporate spin mode" with this change. Euro emissions targets are starting to hurt allready IMO.

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

all i can picture is Rainier Wolfcastle from the simpsons yelling V8 TIME IS OVER then ripping a v8 engine in half

What do you get when you rip a V8 in half... A 4 cylinder.

I think it's pretty silly to say the V8's are a thing of the past, it's just an cylinder configuration. Might as well say V6 engines are the thing of the past also and that I4 engines are the future.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

Terrific to see that the petrol engine manufacturers are finally taking engine development seriously much as the diesel engine manufacturers did with common rail etc.

They're not the same manufacturers?

[Scudn64]

Allan moffat said "the time is now"

Is it allredy over?

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by chevypower

They're not the same manufacturers?

No, most of the development on common rail was done by Caterpillar, who don't make petrol engines for passenger cars. Others followed and major advances were made.

If the same effort was put into funding small V8 development as was put into diesels by Caterpillar et. al. and Ford with their 3-cylinder, then we wouldn't be reading that V8 development will be slowed.

As Rodge said 'Jaguar are in full "corporate spin mode" with this change.' when referring to the fact that "...most of the gains in efficiency come from the new 8 speed ZF with stop start technology...".

Unfortunately, there is no political cred announcing that you have spent millions developing a fuel efficient V8 with all it's inherent advantages. Until there is, Andrew Fraser will probably be right when he says "I can’t see manufacturers investing in new V8 designs..."

[Bucknaked]

Times are changing

[Nikked]

So, Euro head of Engine development tells the world that V8's will become a niche product (they already are)...And there is a thread on AFF telling the ford world that the V8' is dead, right after the "FPV-gate" just a few days ago?

Way to create sweeping paranoia.

That's going to be good for Ford in Australia, more "enthusiasts" jumping on the alarmist bandwagon...




The article is just a page filler, stuff that is already well known...

Yes, people care about performance and power, along with economy.

Yes, there is a shift towards smaller engines, with a focus on power adders to improve efficiency.

Guess what?

FPV have just released a low(ish) capacity V8, with good power/economy figures, and is euro 5 (Im sure, correct if wrong). The V8 is here to stay till at least 2016, and beyond that, im sure we still will be privileged to by bent 8's.

/rant

[nstg8a]

nikked got it 100%

[pottery beige]

holden troll starts thread.. sits back and lols....

[b0son]

can anyone see nascar or v8sc running four cylinders? turbo diesels?

there'll always be a market for V8s amongst enthusiasts - what else has that note?

[LyleXR8]

V8 is just an engine configuration, why not make a 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 litre eco boost to keep all red blooded aussies happy!!! LOOK OUT here comes nanna in her fiesta with a nice little 1 litre V8 rumbling under the bonnet!!!

[Nikked]

Badge the Miami as ecoboost, in a G8...tweek the tuning for, say, 300kw's and improve the economy...


Could be cool...

[pottery beige]

*pro tip*

my nearly 40yo Cleveland has just gone 030".. another 10 or so years i may have a crack at 040".....

it just possibly just maybe 60yo when its finally worn out....

plenty of life in V8 FORDS....

[Auslandau]

Just goes to show how something can be said but then be heard in a way someone else wants to hear ..... rather than the way it was intended.

Starters ..... the thread title is wrong. It should read. "Things are status quo regarding V8's"

Nothing has changed! You do not need to be Einstein to work out that V8's are a niche product, have been for along time and will continue to be so, as long as there is that smaller segment and it does remain profitable.

..... as I just don't like to say these things here (name dropping that is ) ..... had dinner with Andrew Fraser when he was in Aus with the launch of EB. We had a good 1 on 1 chat about what was happening in the world of engines, diesels, turbo;s, and where everything was heading.

What was said in the article is exactly what he said to me, and made total sense in a "Yep ..... that's the way it actually is now" kind of way.

EcoBoost is being developed where smaller cubes, higher efficieant engines are replacing those above them. For instance .... V6 replacing V8, 4cyl replacing 6 and the smaller mini Boosts replacing the 4's. They have been doing this heavily in the US where the hardest market is the F series V8. The twin Turbo 3.5 V6 EB is doing way beyond there expectations and making a massive dent in the V8 market ....... something that would never have happened even 5 years ago with Americans having the preference for V8 F series trucks. Who would have thought ...... but it is working.

They are going to make the push with name EcoBoost not synonymous with the size of the engine. They want the cars to be matched with the engine and the word EcoBoost only on the bums. Not a 4, nor 6. In the marketing they want to concentrate on the fact that this car does 'what ever'. NOT because it is a 4 cylinder or 6 or what ever.

Hard to explain but in person it all sounds so simple and logical. Have the right engine to do the job ...... if it is a 4 second car to 100k's ...... does it really matter how many cylinders it has?

Yes ...... V8 has the sound and that's why I like them ..... but again ... that's the niche market they are looking at. It will be around as no where in the article does it say that the V8 is dead?

One thing I really agreed with him ...... Ford are absolutely on a winner with EcoBoost. Not up there yet as it is early days. There aim is to replace ALL engines with smaller cubes and much more capable ones. Lighter and way more economical and all with boost of some description. The good thing about this? A 5.0 litre Supercharged V8

[TMC]

Sigh!!!!!!

[last fairlane]

Hi with EB isnt it just new technology
cast your mind back 40 or 50 years if you can
lets say 1960
Falcon 144ci 60 Kw
Consul 2.0 Lt 30Kw
Mini 850 cc30 Kw
no Toranas yet but Vauxhall/Viva / Victor 2 .Lt 30 Kw
FB Holden138ci 55 Kw
could you imagine those outputs
we all thought they were the bees knees at the time
but time marches on
yes some of the motors have grown larger
with larger Kw outputs
but its still just advancing technology
4 cylinder motors making 60s V8 numbers
talk to your Dad or Grandad about the advances in motors
just my recollection someone correct me if Im wrong
John

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by last fairlane

Hi with EB isnt it just new technology
cast your mind back 40 or 50 years if you can
lets say 1960
Falcon 144ci 60 Kw
Consul 2.0 Lt 30Kw
Mini 850 cc30 Kw
no Toranas yet but Vauxhall/Viva / Victor 2 .Lt 30 Kw
FB Holden138ci 55 Kw
could you imagine those outputs
we all thought they were the bees knees at the time
but time marches on
yes some of the motors have grown larger
with larger Kw outputs
but its still just advancing technology
4 cylinder motors making 60s V8 numbers
talk to your Dad or Grandad about the advances in motors
just my recollection someone correct me if Im wrong
John

Dont have to go back that far .....

(then) HSV CLUBSPORT - 185i vs (now) FORD XT 4cyl

[RAPID_BA]

I have two v8s at moment and I've owned 7 of them.

Keep making them and I'll keep buying them

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Dont have to go back that far .....

(then) HSV CLUBSPORT - 185i vs (now) FORD XT 4cyl

Volkswagen Golf R 2litre 188kw/330Nm

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Mad_Pom

I don't think the article was saying no more V8s. I think the message was no large scale investment in an all new V8. Look at the Falcon I6 there has been nothing all new about that for >20 years, just a nice slow evolution and you end up with the Turbo I6.

+1 for evolution from me !! Roll on forced induction on V8s

What. The BA 6 was basically all new, it didn't carry over a single part bar the oil filter and a few bolts.

Originally Posted by DJM83

Never knew Ford introduced the V8, learn something new everyday. Ill take the rest with a grain of spice.

Ford din't introduce it, but made it affordable for the masses.

Originally Posted by csv8

Tell that to Holden !!! and BMW their new tri-turbo v8
Hello Ford, not listening to customers ,again!!!

The tri turbo engine is a 6 cylinder diesel.

Originally Posted by pottery beige

holden troll starts thread.. sits back and lols....

Definate lols. Noticed he hasn't posted since.



Bit of a dumb statement by the guy from Ford Europe, when was the last time they sold anything with a V8 in it? Especially in numbers greater than more than a handful. They may have sold a few Mustangs with low volume compliance but bar that I cannot think of anything that Ford of Europe has ever done with a V8.

Anyone know if they have ever built a V8 powered vehicle. GT40 doesn't count.

[Nikked]

Ford trucks in europe?

[Nikked]

Actually, turns out there were a few V8 powered fords built in europe...

-Ford Vedette
-Ford Comète

both french...

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by b0son

can anyone see nascar or v8sc running four cylinders? turbo diesels

Nascar turbo diesels. They just go round and round and round and round like Le Mans 24 hour diesels so need for V8's. Nascar V8 Camrys and Ford Fusions would are a niche market.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Actually, turns out there were a few V8 powered fords built in europe...

-Ford Vedette
-Ford Comète

both french...

Anything in the last 30 years?

[HULK EF]

som one in Europe is after their 15 mins of fame.. -or infamy. Why am i not surrised this crap coming from a Euro?! -They "just dont get the West".

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by HULK EF

som one in Europe is after their 15 mins of fame.. -or infamy. Why am i not surrised this crap coming from a Euro?! -They "just dont get the West".

More than what you think ...... Dont forget it is still a US based company. Read what is actually said by Fraser .... not what the article is suggesting

[lambsblood-v8]

i drive a v8 for a few reasons one of them being there is nothing else that has that lumpy sound its not just about performance and fule economy its all so about style and image and sulerlytheres a market for that

[stevz]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

holden troll starts thread.. sits back and lols....

Don't shoot the messenger hey.... Just because I posted up the article doesn't mean I agree with anything in it.