What do Aussies know of the 427 Cammer?? - Page 2

1970galaxie · 10-08-2009, 11:58 PM

There is an article in the current issue of Hot Rod.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...ild/index.html

Auslandau · 11-08-2009, 12:04 AM

Its weird how us Aussies are making the engine again and selling them back to the US .....

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http://www.allford.net.au/

Shocker of a bloke in that pic ;)

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Iggypoppin' · 11-08-2009, 12:28 AM

that article you quoted auslandau:very informative. My cammer knowledge was garbled to say the least. I've read the whole thing and am trying to re-learn myself on the ledgendary motor. And that price list for a full aftermarket cammer doesn't look too bad!!

**Burnout** · 11-08-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

Just noticed the cammer pics with belt rather than chain setup, and one less idler(right hand cylinder bank) wonder how much work was involved in removing internal chain and idlers etc?

The pictures of that motor with a 'Gilmer drive' are from a site where the engine was sold on the net some years ago. The owner claimed on the site the motor was built with a belt drive to rid him of the cam timing problems of the SOHC 427.

Quite a number of these engines were built by individuals in the US using FE blocks in the mid to late '70's.
An oil return line from the rear of the heads to sump was required to replicate the side oiler designed FE arrangement.

Ohio XB · 11-08-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Its weird how us Aussies are making the engine again and selling them back to the US .....

Oh, I don't know about that. I know of at least 2 places (other than Robert Pond in California) that produce them here on this side of the pond, and the original Ford tooling is about 18 minutes from where I live at one of those shops.

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Steve

PALE ALE · 11-08-2009, 12:44 PM

Read a book about the history and origins of Funny car racing, and the factory backed race teams in the sixties. Ford rocked up with their "cammer" and smashed the ET/MPH records with it. NHRA banned it, didnt want a Ford vs Chrysler horsepower war, as the average fan on the hill was a GM fan, and GM had nothing to combat Ford's cammer or Chrysler's Hemi
Also read an article in a magazine, that during this era, Chrysler knew about Ford's development of the "Cammer", and had three, quad cam, 4 valve, with timing belts 426 Hemi prototype engines, in retaliation to Ford's "Cammer". One is in a museum, and a drag racer has the other two.
What a shame NHRA got worried about GM fans and stopped the horse power war between Ford and Chrysler. Who knows where it might have led, we all might be talking about our bigger valve area, lighter valve train Cleveland/Windsors, than worrying about pushrod length's and rocker geometry and valve spring life

Iggypoppin' · 11-08-2009, 01:34 PM

Rules and regs ruin racing :(

Bossxr8 · 11-08-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by V8 Man

Sorry, you're right, went and looked up another article, apparenty they only built one with a cammer, the rest were all 425 horse, 427's. Still fairly cool though!

Damn straight its cool. Factory built drag cars.

I love how they took one headlight out each side and ran tubing from the grille into the air cleaner.

**Burnout** · 11-08-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jakkes

how about the 494 can am engine any info on that one ??

The 494 can am was a development of the 385 block by A.J. FOYTE after he took over the development of ford racing engines when ford got out of racing engine development.

**ebxr8240** · 11-08-2009, 11:23 PM

Now what would Jay Leno have in an A.C replica Cobra ???
Yep !!! Turn the sound right up !!!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/J...427_700576.htm

FOMOCO 1 · 11-08-2009, 11:24 PM

While on the topic thought some of you would like to hear one in anger...........Great video showing Jay Lenos AC 427 Cobra (non original) with sideoiler removed and replaced with a S.O.H.C. 427. Great video and make sure you watch till the end if you know what I mean.......Sounds TUFFFF

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-09...27-Replica.htm

FOMOCO 1 · 11-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Oops sorry got so excited watching the video I didnt realise someone bet me to it.

XR8 Uterous · 13-08-2009, 11:13 AM

Anyone know how many 427's made it to OZ? Know of one here, its a high rise version?

Cheers

Bossxr8 · 15-08-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Now what would Jay Leno have in an A.C replica Cobra ???
Yep !!! Turn the sound right up !!!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/J...427_700576.htm

Pure thunder.

You've got to love Jay Leno's enthusiasm.

**Burnout** · 15-08-2009, 03:46 PM

The SOHC and the 429 Shotgun are my two favorite engines of that or any other period.

TC200six · 15-08-2009, 03:52 PM

I remember reading a Street Machine article about it and it mentions about one hot rod in Australia powered by one of them. I think if I remember it right, it said that 2 or maybe 3 made it over here.

Ohio XB · 15-08-2009, 04:45 PM

Well this has all been very interesting, or at least to me.

Ok, to take it a step further, who would seriously want one? Is this engine looked at like a Space Shuttle (would be awesome to have, but nothing more than a dream) or is it a serious desire if only they were a few dollars cheaper and easier to get?

Steve

Mutley · 15-08-2009, 08:58 PM

Apart from capacity, what's the difference in design between the 427 SOHC and the current 290 Boss?

Auslandau · 15-08-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

Well this has all been very interesting, or at least to me.

Ok, to take it a step further, who would seriously want one? Is this engine looked at like a Space Shuttle (would be awesome to have, but nothing more than a dream) or is it a serious desire if only they were a few dollars cheaper and easier to get?

Steve

For me ..... would love it and hopefully will have one. To most, it would be an unknown entity that is just a "Yeah .... that looks old .... where's the turbo!" Price for replicas are achievable now and easier to get if you know the right people. Problem in Aus though ...... it will not fit in 99% of the cars easily ... if at all! Galaxy's are just about as rare!

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Mutley · 15-08-2009, 11:28 PM

What are its dimensions?

**Burnout** · 16-08-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutley

Apart from capacity, what's the difference in design between the 427 SOHC and the current 290 Boss?

The SOHC was basically a 427 cubic inch FE side-oiler block with a set of hemispherical heads with a single overhead camshaft stacked on top of each head.

Nikked · 16-08-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

Well this has all been very interesting, or at least to me.

Ok, to take it a step further, who would seriously want one? Is this engine looked at like a Space Shuttle (would be awesome to have, but nothing more than a dream) or is it a serious desire if only they were a few dollars cheaper and easier to get?

Steve

I would love to get one and put it in a GT40 or a XA-C Coupe

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1970galaxie · 16-08-2009, 11:58 AM

What a question!

Who WOULDN'T want one!?

**ebxr8240** · 16-08-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutley

What are its dimensions?

Aha yea compare to Mod Boss motor ??
Would be interesting ??
Possibly taller ??

Bad Bird · 16-08-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutley

Apart from capacity, what's the difference in design between the 427 SOHC and the current 290 Boss?

Bore to stroke ratio is vastly in the favour of the 427 SOHC. Long live oversquare engines!

Interceptor · 16-08-2009, 01:51 PM

imo its a shame that to get the aussie built stuff you've gotta import it from america.....

i'd love to have one, but i'm damned if i know what i'd put it in!

Auslandau · 16-08-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Aha yea compare to Mod Boss motor ??
Would be interesting ??
Possibly taller ??

Its the width thats the killer. Height is no problem.

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Ohio XB · 16-08-2009, 02:09 PM

According to the Kelly Hotrod webpages the dimensions on the 427 SOHC is as follows...

Width - 32 inches
Length - 34 inches
Height - 30 inches

For comparison on the width, he lists the regular 427 at 27 inches.

http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine.html

Steve

Auslandau · 16-08-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

According to the Kelly Hotrod webpages the dimensions on the 427 SOHC is as follows...

Width - 32 inches
Length - 34 inches
Height - 30 inches

For comparison on the width, he lists the regular 427 at 27 inches.

http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine.html

Steve

Cleveland
Width - 25 inches
Length - 24 inches.
Height - 29 inches

289/302, Windsor
Width - 24 inches

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Iggypoppin' · 16-08-2009, 03:45 PM

You can fit one in an XB or similar if you don't think you'll need shock towers

They're a monstrous motor, I think only galaxie engine bays fit them? Or something equally as big? I'd attempt to finance a replica of these motors, purely because of what it is. The article posted earlier has a price range for bits n bobs, whole motor IIRC is around 20,000 I think?