Just what we always wanted.

[T1 Terry]

Looks like there will be some real hi tech gear in those units, I can see the whole thing getting stolen unless it has a couple of coppers in it to protect it Locally they have had to install cameras to watch the speed cameras as they were being stolen fast than they could install them.

T1 Terry

[aussie muscle]

"The mobile speed cameras will only be placed in locations with a high accident history as determined by the RTA in consultation with NSW Police," Dr Soames Job, director of the RTA's Centre for Road Safety, said.

Yeah, right :rolleyes: anywhere they are most profitable more likely. bottoms of hills, over taking lanes and open freeways is where they'll park.

[9lives]

who wants to group buy a "dodgey person" to go and fire bomb them..... twenty from each person should get it done????LOL

[FPVF6X201]

As far as these camera's being revenue raisers ............. you want proof?

Sunday Telegraph in Sydney stated that the Macquarie Bank want to buy out the private company that operates them (yes its privatley run, not government!!). Can anyone remember the last time MacBank bought anything that didnt make them millions? No you can't, 'cause it has never happened. MacBank also own several toll roads, airports, airport parking stations etc. ALL making a fortune.

I hope it does save lives, but not while making the MacBank shareholders richer.

[oranpark addict]

This state election who will you be voting for? Problem is the damage has been done over years and years and will take sooooo long to recover. I pity whoever wins the next election here. There is a simple expression that describes anything to do with roads- Dollars>Safety

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by Coyote V8

"The mobile speed cameras will only be placed in locations with a high accident history as determined by the RTA in consultation with NSW Police," Dr Soames Job, director of the RTA's Centre for Road Safety, said.

Yeah right - we'll see about that...

[SEZ213]

I've got a really novel idea...don't speed and you have nothing to worry about...it's really that simple.

Revenue raisers raise revenue because people break the law, if you don't break the law, there is no issue. I've noticed over the recent months that quite a lot of people rant and rave about these types of 'revenue raising activities'.

Common sense really does need to come into play at some point in our lives...doesn't it...?

Many have made the assertion that speed doesn't kill, it certainly doesn't help the situation either...

They aren't made visible because that would defeat the purpose of a/ revenue raising and b/ allowing a speeder to get away scott free.

These threads are getting more ridiculous, blaming politicians; liberal, labour - it really doesn't matter who is in charge - this will continue. If we're lucky, the money will be put back into road safety or the actual physical state of the roads...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I've got a really novel idea...don't speed and you have nothing to worry about...it's really that simple.

Revenue raisers raise revenue because people break the law, if you don't break the law, there is no issue. I've noticed over the recent months that quite a lot of people rant and rave about these types of 'revenue raising activities'.

Common sense really does need to come into play at some point in our lives...doesn't it...?

Many have made the assertion that speed doesn't kill, it certainly doesn't help the situation either...

They aren't made visible because that would defeat the purpose of a/ revenue raising and b/ allowing a speeder to get away scott free.

These threads are getting more ridiculous, blaming politicians; liberal, labour - it really doesn't matter who is in charge - this will continue. If we're lucky, the money will be put back into road safety or the actual physical state of the roads...

3km/h over the speed limit is very hard to see on my speedo:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8453/imag0014z.jpg

Also, leet odometer .

[MAD]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I've got a really novel idea...don't speed and you have nothing to worry about...it's really that simple.

Revenue raisers raise revenue because people break the law, if you don't break the law, there is no issue. I've noticed over the recent months that quite a lot of people rant and rave about these types of 'revenue raising activities'.

Common sense really does need to come into play at some point in our lives...doesn't it...?

Many have made the assertion that speed doesn't kill, it certainly doesn't help the situation either...

They aren't made visible because that would defeat the purpose of a/ revenue raising and b/ allowing a speeder to get away scott free.

These threads are getting more ridiculous, blaming politicians; liberal, labour - it really doesn't matter who is in charge - this will continue. If we're lucky, the money will be put back into road safety or the actual physical state of the roads...

My car will pass a full ADR test even if it shows 100km/h on the speedo but actual speed is 109km/h.

How does a mobile speed camera that doesnt give an indication of an infringement stop me from speeding on that day? If I continue to drive at 130km/h after passing a speed camera that I didnt see and crash into a car and kill a family, what does a speeding fine 3 weeks later do?

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by ltd

NEWSFLASH

"NSW Government; We've got what it takes to take what you've got"."NSW - BRING YOUR WALLETS $$$$$$".

Not condoning hacking of websites or any other illegal activity, but wouldn't it be funniest thing to see the NSW state government's website with this on the front page.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by MAD

My car will pass a full ADR test even if it shows 100km/h on the speedo but actual speed is 109km/h.

How does a mobile speed camera that doesnt give an indication of an infringement stop me from speeding on that day? If I continue to drive at 130km/h after passing a speed camera that I didnt see and crash into a car and kill a family, what does a speeding fine 3 weeks later do?

If you know that your speed is actually 109km/h - COMPENSATE...

I guess the real question is why are you doing 130km/h in the first place...?

I fail to see where my logic fails - if you're doing the right thing - you won't be doing 130km/h...

Chances are - if you see the speed camera, you slow down and then speed right back up again.

People are just getting crabby because they'll have to be more cautious about their speeding in NSW now.

[George V]

Anybody here knows about radar detectors or which frequency these new units will be on??

Other than being illegal in NSW

Cheers,
George

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

3km/h over the speed limit is very hard to see on my speedo:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8453/imag0014z.jpg

Also, leet odometer .

Gee Damo...in your photo...see that thing on the right...? It goes from zero to 220, about halfway up it says 100...that's the spot right underneath it...make sure you're there and...surprise surprise...no problems... :P

[dallasv8]

i seen a bf ute in Brandon south of Townsville on friday with a canopy and a radar inside.funny thing was there was no markings on the car or signage

[GTP 290]

Ummm, this may sound a bit stupid but are you all complaining about mobile speed cameras??

Queensland have had them for many years.

Stop ya bloody crying ya bunch of girls.

Pic taken yesterday 11/7/2010 @ 1:45pm

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by GTP 290

Ummm, this may sound a bit stupid but are you all complaining about mobile speed cameras??

Queensland have had them for many years.

Stop ya bloody crying ya bunch of girls.

Pic taken yesterday 11/7/2010 @ 1:45pm

These particular mobile speed cameras are unmarked and no flash goes off...no biggie unless you're speeding...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

Gee Damo...in your photo...see that thing on the right...? It goes from zero to 220, about halfway up it says 100...that's the spot right underneath it...make sure you're there and...surprise surprise...no problems... :P

Shh :P

[GTP 290]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

These particular mobile speed cameras are unmarked and no flash goes off...no biggie unless you're speeding...

Apart from the big "QLD POLICE" emblem on the drivers door and the flash mounted on the bumper/bullbar

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by GTP 290

Apart from the big "QLD POLICE" emblem on the drivers door and the flash mounted on the bumper/bullbar

nah, these one's are going into NSW...unmarked - one's up here stand out like dogs you know what on a canary, if you get booked in Qld...there's really no excuse...

[dallasv8]

the one i seen south of townsville was unmarked with no signs,all it had was a camera set up inside the canopy.doesnt really worry me lol, but where it was id say quite a few people would have got a pic taken.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

If you know that your speed is actually 109km/h - COMPENSATE...

I guess the real question is why are you doing 130km/h in the first place...?

I fail to see where my logic fails - if you're doing the right thing - you won't be doing 130km/h...

Chances are - if you see the speed camera, you slow down and then speed right back up again.

People are just getting crabby because they'll have to be more cautious about their speeding in NSW now.

Basically my car couldve driven off the lot at Ford with a speedo reading the way I said above, that's why we have tolerances. The ADR at the time allowed for a speedo accuracy of plus or minus 10%.

Your logic fails because even though you 'think' you're doing the correct speed, your speedo could be out by up to 10km/h at 100km/h and that is within manufactured tolerances. (This applies to older cars, new cars the speedo must not read low, and it can be within 10% high. I cant remember the year this changed though)

The issue is not about doing 130km/h, its the claim that speed cameras save lives. In my example above, how has the speed camera done anything to help the situation? If it was a real police officer instead, then there would have been some sort of intervention.

Have you seen the number of fines being handed out in Victoria? The majority of which are in the "exceeded by less than 10 km/h" bracket.

How's this years road toll going?

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by MAD

Basically my car couldve driven off the lot at Ford with a speedo reading the way I said above, that's why we have tolerances. The ADR at the time allowed for a speedo accuracy of plus or minus 10%.

Your logic fails because even though you 'think' you're doing the correct speed, your speedo could be out by up to 10km/h at 100km/h and that is within manufactured tolerances. (This applies to older cars, new cars the speedo must not read low, and it can be within 10% high. I cant remember the year this changed though)

The issue is not about doing 130km/h, its the claim that speed cameras save lives. In my example above, how has the speed camera done anything to help the situation? If it was a real police officer instead, then there would have been some sort of intervention.

Have you seen the number of fines being handed out in Victoria? The majority of which are in the "exceeded by less than 10 km/h" bracket.

How's this years road toll going?

Regardless of the ADR...if your speedo is out, and you get caught speeding, that's your fault...nobody else's. And that kind of excuse generally doesn't wash with the powers that be...as true as it may be.

I actually lived in Victoria for 20 odd years, so yeah, I've seen how many fines they hand out...I've also seen the 'nice roads' you guys get to drive on in metro Melbourne, and I'm lead to believe that this is mostly in part because of the 'lead foot parade' that don't seem to learn the first time.

You can make hypothetical situations about 'what if?' but at the end of the day, this isn't happening in Victoria - it's a NSW initiative at present and if it does anything to curb the driving behaviour of those who believe it's their right, and not their privilege to drive a vehicle - then good.

As for the road toll this year...I have no idea - all I know is it's about 100% more than it should be.

[Gaz]

Originally Posted by GTP 290

Ummm, this may sound a bit stupid but are you all complaining about mobile speed cameras??

Queensland have had them for many years.

Stop ya bloody crying ya bunch of girls.

Pic taken yesterday 11/7/2010 @ 1:45pm

Lease you get an obvious car parked on the edge of the road, in WA we get a black cube the size of a bar fridge stuck behind power poles with the van sometimes 10m away behind a tree.

[Bobman]

Victoria gets no signs, no stickers and recently no flash unit on the nature strip.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

Regardless of the ADR...if your speedo is out, and you get caught speeding, that's your fault...nobody else's. And that kind of excuse generally doesn't wash with the powers that be...as true as it may be.

It actually did have something to do with it. Remember speed limit tolerances once were also 10%.

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I actually lived in Victoria for 20 odd years, so yeah, I've seen how many fines they hand out...I've also seen the 'nice roads' you guys get to drive on in metro Melbourne, and I'm lead to believe that this is mostly in part because of the 'lead foot parade' that don't seem to learn the first time.

I wish the roads were paid by speeding fines, we wouldnt be paying tolls.

Originally Posted by Sezzy

You can make hypothetical situations about 'what if?' but at the end of the day, this isn't happening in Victoria - it's a NSW initiative at present and if it does anything to curb the driving behaviour of those who believe it's their right, and not their privilege to drive a vehicle - then good.

If you think this is going to actually do something to stop people speeding, you're being misled.
Fine, it's not happening in Vic, but it was and nobody did anything about it, and now you're getting it too.

Originally Posted by Sezzy

As for the road toll this year...I have no idea - all I know is it's about 100% more than it should be.

Current 171, this time last year 162
I guess all those extra speed cameras they have installed in Vic are doing a great job.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by MAD

It actually did have something to do with it. Remember speed limit tolerances once were also 10%.

You've actually help make my point - get your car checked. You're a road user, bound by the same rules as everyone else - take some initiative, it's really not that hard. As a driver, that's your responsibility, not anyone elses (manufacturer or otherwise).

Originally Posted by MAD

I wish the roads were paid by speeding fines, we wouldnt be paying tolls.

Tolls alone cannot support a state - and you'll find those tolls go to pay for the improvements (tunnels, etc.) which are usually funded by private companies.

Originally Posted by MAD

If you think this is going to actually do something to stop people speeding, you're being misled.
Fine, it's not happening in Vic, but it was and nobody did anything about it, and now you're getting it too.

I'm not saying it will stop someone from speeding. What I'm saying is why should people be warned in advance, that there is a camera ahead. Allowing them to slow down to a legal speed and then go on to get away with it. A surprise letter in the mail might prevent the average, so called 'responsible person' from speeding in future. Get enough of those and you walk - perhaps then someone will heed the warning. I live in Qld, and to be brutally honest, couldn't give a brass razoo if it happened up here, I'd welcome it, because as a responsible driver...I don't have to worry about speeding fines.

Originally Posted by MAD

Current 171, this time last year 162
I guess all those extra speed cameras they have installed in Vic are doing a great job.

Point is, 46% of road deaths in Vic in 2009 were caused as a direct result of speeding - so if those 171 are all speeding related, then it hasn't solved the issue, but if there are less speeding related deaths than there were in 2009 - this is seen to be fixing the issue, and the government can feel warm and fuzzy. That's the decision - don't like it, lobby it.

I guess at the end of the day, you have the power to drive responsibly, or not. And if you choose not to, why shouldn't you be fined? People often forget that driving is a privilege, if people could remember that, drive that way, and educate their children in that fashion, perhaps there would be some better drivers on the road.

It's been said so many times before - you choose to drive the vehicle - you accept the consequences of your actions. We're all adults, it's about time people stopped holding our hands and letting us get away with things because we're too stupid to actually think consciously about the decisions we make, spur of the moment or not.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

Regardless of the ADR...if your speedo is out, and you get caught speeding, that's your fault...nobody else's. And that kind of excuse generally doesn't wash with the powers that be...as true as it may be.

I actually lived in Victoria for 20 odd years, so yeah, I've seen how many fines they hand out...I've also seen the 'nice roads' you guys get to drive on in metro Melbourne, and I'm lead to believe that this is mostly in part because of the 'lead foot parade' that don't seem to learn the first time.

You can make hypothetical situations about 'what if?' but at the end of the day, this isn't happening in Victoria - it's a NSW initiative at present and if it does anything to curb the driving behaviour of those who believe it's their right, and not their privilege to drive a vehicle - then good.

As for the road toll this year...I have no idea - all I know is it's about 100% more than it should be.

Actually Sezzy, it's not our fault.
ADR's are applicable to all vehicles being able to be sold and registered in Australia, and ADR's state that tolerances of up to 10% still allow the measuring equipment to comply.
Let's say I'm on cruise control doing 99kmh in a 100kmh zone, and I go past one of these vans. Click click, I'm busted for doing 109kmh in a 100K zone. Now, the RTA says I was over the 104kmh which is the tolerance, but my car is brand new how can this happen? Enter the world of variances, tolerances and double standards.
How can I be penalised when the governing body allows up to 10% but the state governments contradict by allowing only up to 4%?
Further, if the government wants to enforce a standard, shouldn't it be the same as that of the design criteria? If not, shouldn't the state enforcing the standard then be responsible for the additional accuracy and calibration of the measuring equipment in excess to the standard and each individual vehicle? Why doesn't the government enforce this when annual registration occurs, sort of like how commercial scales are often tested for accuracy and need to comply in order to be used?

No one wants to answer these questions and I'll tell you why; it is in fact unconscionable conduct on behalf of the enforcing body ie the state government to apply a double standard without meeting the cost of additional compliance to the ADR's. You cannot penalise someone for complying with the law and or the standard of the day.
What it comes down to is simply revenue raising. It's a hit and miss strategy; hit 100 people up for money and maybe 10 will give it to you. They do it all the time. Councils, state, feds; all the same. When I used to work in the city I don't know how many times I got booked whilst parked on the street legally only to challenge it and be let off. I wonder how many people didn't bother to challenge though and how much extra revenue they got for illegally issuing fines.

Finally, as has been mentioned earlier, this is a private company that is employed by the government. As recently as yesterday, there has been nothing but silence from the minister on the issue of quotas, revenue targets and KPI's for contract renewal. Over 100 million in additional fines has already been accounted for in this years budget, obviously these devices will simply be moved until they are profitable ie bottom of hills, overtaking lanes etc.
Simply put, anyone who thinks that drivers watching their speedos and not the road is a good thing, whilst simultaneously dealing with the up to 15 different speed zones in a 3 kilometre stretch; is an idiot.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

You've actually help make my point - get your car checked. You're a road user, bound by the same rules as everyone else - take some initiative, it's really not that hard. As a driver, that's your responsibility, not anyone elses (manufacturer or otherwise).

Mate you really dont get it, think how ****ed you would be if you were driving along at 100km/h in a 100km/h zone, and you got done for speeding. That can happen. Goddamn hippies theres always 1 or 2 "oh dont speed you wont get caught", get real. Ever been going down a steep hill and gained 5km/h? Ever overtaken someone and had to speed up 5km/h? This is ridiculous and its people like you that are letting it happen. Your statement that the road toll should be zero, again, get real. We're driving around at amazing speeds in a 2 tonne piece of metal, people are gonna get hurt.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Mate you really dont get it, think how ****ed you would be if you were driving along at 100km/h in a 100km/h zone, and you got done for speeding. That can happen. Goddamn hippies theres always 1 or 2 "oh dont speed you wont get caught", get real. Ever been going down a steep hill and gained 5km/h? Ever overtaken someone and had to speed up 5km/h? This is ridiculous and its people like you that are letting it happen. Your statement that the road toll should be zero, again, get real. We're driving around at amazing speeds in a 2 tonne piece of metal, people are gonna get hurt.

Hippies? I doubt it. YOU choose to get behind the wheel of a car...YOU decide how you drive...YOU deal with the consequences. Steep hill, overtaking lane, it doesn't matter. You CAN go down a steep hill without going over the speed limit and you CAN overtake someone without speeding...that is, once again YOUR CHOICE. Either way, YOU deal with the consequences.

Hide behind federal rulings all you like, but as previously mentioned, don't like it lobby it. Get your car calibrated, don't get your car calibrated, either way, it's a moot point - it's been done already...

As far as the road toll being zero - I don't see why it's not a possibility - you yourself have just made my point - amazing speeds - 2 tonne piece of metal...people are gonna get hurt...perhaps you should rethink that.

If we're all conscious of what's going on around us and ahead of us and behind us, there's no reason why it can't be zero.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

Hippies? I doubt it. YOU choose to get behind the wheel of a car...YOU decide how you drive...YOU deal with the consequences. Steep hill, overtaking lane, it doesn't matter. You CAN go down a steep hill without going over the speed limit and you CAN overtake someone without speeding...that is, once again YOUR CHOICE. Either way, YOU deal with the consequences.

Hide behind federal rulings all you like, but as previously mentioned, don't like it lobby it. Get your car calibrated, don't get your car calibrated, either way, it's a moot point - it's been done already...

As far as the road toll being zero - I don't see why it's not a possibility - you yourself have just made my point - amazing speeds - 2 tonne piece of metal...people are gonna get hurt...perhaps you should rethink that.

If we're all conscious of what's going on around us and ahead of us and behind us, there's no reason why it can't be zero.

Ok mate, you're right. They should just keep introducing speed cameras and lowering limits until it reaches zero. Bit strange though that its actually been climbing? Im sure theres a logical reason for that though. The fact remains, cars on the road have been passed by the ADR applicable for them. How can the government make the allowable tolerance lower than the instrument is calibrated to? I actually deal with this everyday with as said before, scales. Its totally up to the customer if they want it more accurate than the law allows, and some do, and thats fine, but the law cant just say "you're allowed 3 divisions, but its 2 out, so I'm going to fine you". It really just makes no sense. Bring back the 10% rule.
And its called natural selection mate, crap is going to happen, people weren't meant to drive cars. How can you say be concious of whats going on around us, if we are spending 99% of the time glued to the speedo? You sound like a Labor voter, are you?