Poverty Pack Land Cruiser... $80 000 ?!!?!? - Page 2

BFZ Wagon · 08-09-2011, 04:25 PM

WOW. I didn't realise that manual wasn't an option with the 200 series. I remember many years ago that manual was the only transmission you got unless you wanted an upper spec model Sahara then you could get an auto.
My how things have changed. Probably won't be long before you can't get ANY 4WD in this country with a manual transmission.

Jim Goose · 08-09-2011, 04:59 PM

Have driven the new Landcruiser and found to be woefully underbraked as well as having a bit too much turbo lag.

To me barebones would mean getting rid of electric windows, carpets, cheap seat covers, rubber mats, cheap and nasty door cards and getting rid of that hugely heavy twin turbo...

Poetic Justice · 08-09-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BFZ Wagon

WOW. I didn't realise that manual wasn't an option with the 200 series. I remember many years ago that manual was the only transmission you got unless you wanted an upper spec model Sahara then you could get an auto.
My how things have changed. Probably won't be long before you can't get ANY 4WD in this country with a manual transmission.

Strike that, manual is NOT an option. At all.

GT 160 · 08-09-2011, 05:02 PM

Its $80k because it's for the mining industry. Everyone knows its cost plus 5000000000000000000000000000000%

Road_Warrior · 08-09-2011, 05:31 PM

No real competitors and a cornered market means you can pretty much charge what you like.

Ford should get on this bandwagon with some stripped out dual cab F150's with diesel engines.

BFZ Wagon · 08-09-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

Strike that, manual is NOT an option. At all.

Good point. SCUD. I probably should have said that

I just still can't believe that Toyota's almighty 'Landcruiser' only comes in auto now. How sad.

pottery beige · 08-09-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jcxr

Povo pack Toyota is still better than a top of the range Nissan.......

zing......

Windsor342ci · 08-09-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jcxr

Povo pack Toyota is still better than a top of the range Nissan.......

Humbly disagree

pottery beige · 08-09-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

Humbly disagree

i humbly disagree with your humbly disagree.... opinions are like bums we all have one....

Franco Cozzo · 08-09-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

How about getting rid of the complex V8 in which the starter motor is buried inside the manifold (which I was told Toyota allows 8 to 12hrs to remove)??[/url]

You ever taken apart a Denso starter motor? They're an excellent design, the only thing that ever goes wrong with them is they eventually smash out the contacts on the solenoid, thats it.

Paxton · 08-09-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

Humbly disagree

Humbly agree with your disagreement.

Jim Goose · 08-09-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

You ever taken apart a Denso starter motor? They're an excellent design, the only thing that ever goes wrong with them is they eventually smash out the contacts on the solenoid, thats it.

And your point is?
I know of one landcruiser here which had its starter fail within 6months.
Its owner was impressed he had to leave his car at Toyota for 2days for a simple thing like a stuffed starter.

I have seen very expensive starters on aircraft fall apart within months of installing them (many years ago...)

**DJM83** · 08-09-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And your point is?
I know of one landcruiser here which had its starter fail within 6months.
Its owner was impressed he had to leave his car at Toyota for 2days for a simple thing like a stuffed starter.

I have seen very expensive starters on aircraft fall apart within months of installing them (many years ago...)

and when are you buying a new cruiser? Or you wanted to sook about the price?

Franco Cozzo · 08-09-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And your point is?
I know of one landcruiser here which had its starter fail within 6months.
Its owner was impressed he had to leave his car at Toyota for 2days for a simple thing like a stuffed starter.

I have seen very expensive starters on aircraft fall apart within months of installing them (many years ago...)

My point is its a good design? Its better than the normal starters out there. Theres heaps of crap in stupid spots in every manufacturers cars.

Why does Honda still use tappets, which need adjusting every 40,000km rather than hydraulic lifters which self adjust?

Why do you have to take off the drivers side wheel on a 2006 Civic to change the oil filter?

Why do you have to drop the fuel tank in a Civic Hybrid to change the fuel filter which is in the tank? Why did they put the battery bank on top of the access hatch?

Why did the exhaust side of the engine change from the front to the back after a certain point on Honda cars?

Why is the turbo between the engine and the firewall on my TDCI Focus? Why is there an intake restrictor, why does the intake end up under a plastic cover?

Why does the Falcon have a space saver spare?

Why does the Ford Festiva built by Kia, based on the Mazda 121 and have a Mazda B5 engine and sold as a Ford?

Theres endless amount of useless crap I can list about weird or stupid things across every manufacturers.

Brazen · 08-09-2011, 07:48 PM

Is it just me, or is this bare bones barn door 200 series my favorite variant of the 200 series.

05_ENFORCER · 08-09-2011, 08:11 PM

Yep, the hire companies love them here in W.A. they can't get enough of them.

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THE CADBURY KID · 08-09-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BFZ Wagon

WOW. I didn't realise that manual wasn't an option with the 200 series. I remember many years ago that manual was the only transmission you got unless you wanted an upper spec model Sahara then you could get an auto.
My how things have changed. Probably won't be long before you can't get ANY 4WD in this country with a manual transmission.

back in the 90s when i did my time i worked on lots of cruisers,hj-hzj and 80 series and they were very uncomfortable but relatively easy to work on.Once they put magna door handles on the 100 i just laughed at cruisers from then on

have they even changed the ugly plastic interiors and seats in the utes after 20 years?

Hulsty · 08-09-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BFZ Wagon

Good point. SCUD. I probably should have said that

I just still can't believe that Toyota's almighty 'Landcruiser' only comes in auto now. How sad.

Only in the 200 series, in aus they are auto only, over seas they are available with the manual, but the motor drops down to the single turbo unit.

All the 70 series is manual only in aus.

vanman_75 · 08-09-2011, 11:29 PM

Sweet a replacement for the prado , now if they can get rid of the kiss junk so I can lift it a little then I will be happy , about time they got back to basics !

Road_Warrior · 08-09-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Is it just me, or is this bare bones barn door 200 series my favorite variant of the 200 series.

I prefer the 4 door 79 series. But I'm a bit of a pervert like that.

GT-E · 09-09-2011, 12:05 AM

I cannot believe that a povo pack 200 costs more than a top of the Line Jeep Grand Cherokee. They are equally able off road and towing, what is the big appeal the mines have with Landcruisers ?

Windsor220 · 09-09-2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Why does Honda still use tappets, which need adjusting every 40,000km rather than hydraulic lifters which self adjust?

Probably something to do with the variable valve timing. That was Mitsubishi's reasoning anyway.

XR Martin · 09-09-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jcxr

Povo pack Toyota is still better than a top of the range Nissan.......

Not for long.....

Ben73 · 09-09-2011, 04:59 AM

80,000 seams like massive amount for a barebone landy.

Most of the mines around here have hilux or prado.
I'm actually in a prado now at a mine in pouring rain. The prado handled the muddy tracks easily.

But I guess in places lik WA they may require the LC capability.

2011G6E · 09-09-2011, 10:36 AM

The railway uses Prado's out here...they get a flogging from some drivers and don't exactly get babied, but they seem to be handling it well. Comfy on long highway drives and they still have the off road capability.

Yes, for some reason they're all going V8 with the big four wheel drives...they must think people enjoy paying over a grand a year for rego. When we had our six cylinder 4.2 turbo diesel 100 series Landcruiser, I also drove a couple of rental vehicles the railway got out here. They were new troopies, fitted with the V8 turbo diesel. Honestly, I couldn't feel any difference between them and the six cylinder in our 'cruiser...certainly not enough to justify the extra insurance and rego cost of the V8 over the six.

Another thing annoying the "hard core" fourbie owners is the new Patrol...it will be independant suspension front and rear. The reason, Nissan says, is that worldwide surveys have shown that only 13% of four wheel drives are ever used "off road", and far less actually used in "extreme" conditions.

Why spend tens of millions over-engineering something for a purpose that only a tiny percentage of your buyers will ever actually do?

jcxr · 09-09-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Not for long.....

YAAAAAAAAWN..........................

**DJR-351** · 09-09-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 302 XC

Id have a F truck over anything offered in this country
The ol 7.3 Turbo diesel F trucks have more pulling power than a cruiser would dream of

There was a story goin around where i used to live , that apparently a bloke in his new cruiser went to an importer to buy an F truck

"Id like to trade me cruiser in on a F truck",

Seller,
"Ya mean ya want me to trade your cruiser as a deposit on the F truck"
Kinda thought that was funny

News flash mate...they tried the f-truck on one of the mines i was on and got rid of them 6 months later due to "chronic breakdowns"....

I used to own a F-350 and my brother had a F-150, both back in Cruisers, the old Lada i had years ago was more reliable.......

Jim Goose · 09-09-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

and when are you buying a new cruiser? Or you wanted to sook about the price?

Are you going to have a go at everyone else who has agreed with me? or just single out one person?

Plenty of other threads about the cost of living, over priced cars, poorly designed cars etc where people have a whinge...

aussie muscle · 09-09-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Ford USA, send some of your trucks and 4x4's over here.

Good point. why don't they? i guess they don't like them.

pottery beige · 09-09-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

News flash mate...they tried the f-truck on one of the mines i was on and got rid of them 6 months later due to "chronic breakdowns"....

I used to own a F-350 and my brother had a F-150, both back in Cruisers, the old Lada i had years ago was more reliable.......

exactly there is a very big difference between 'mining' or 'domestic' use..... im driving around in very tired nissan ute..... much more tired than the equivalent toyota would be.... woo yeah flame on......