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I don't waste my time watching regular clubsports. All were LSA badged GTS's, a mix of manuals and autos.
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Let's not forgot that sometimes powerful cars are only as good as the person pressing the accelerator.
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I to am not an exceptional driver either. I managed faster times in my GT at the same track same time with dunlops, aircon on ( it was hot), traction control on, left it in auto and no burn out ( just rolled slowly through the water box). I wanted to see a low 12 but was left very disappointed by there real world performance. They cant all have been dud cars or dud drivers.
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That one little word will be like a red flag to a bull as the GT-F was proven to be the most powerful in those dyno tests. It's the level of engineering that went into the GTS that I most admire about it.
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GTF produced more at the wheels but cars aren't sold on rear wheel figures.
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The chassis dyno test / numbers don't matter is what Im getting at, until another local car comes out with a power rating of more than 430kw the GTS will always be number 1 in that regard.
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I had a look a few months ago on a commodore forum in the dyno thread. Definitely some embarrassing results there. I think we could prove a lot if we compared our dyno thread to theirs.
Yes it doesn't really matter in the end as you buy what you want. But when they are selling magazines on blatant bull**** like that then I'm gonna call it out.
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I think it's a fantastic all round car, don't really care if my GT has more power or is a inch quicker down the quarter.
I am not too sure on Ford / FPV but Holden / HSV have some heavy torque management and anti-abuse controls on their V8 models. My SSV felt sluggish when I got it, wouldn't really spin the wheels off the mark and only felt strong when the engine revving. Even with T/C off, the ECU was deciding how much power and WOT off the line. Sort of an opposite feature to Ford that gives more power in the right conditions, this reduces power and only gives back what it thinks is right. I never experienced anything like that with my XR6 Turbo or XR8. Had torque management and anti-abuse turned off in the ECU and different animal. Now with HSV headers (cats) and diff back upgrade (don't want to do much more as daily driver) and tune, it's a very different engine. Pokey and more power down low. The FGX is a great send off by Ford with next to no $ for any serious upgrade, really grown on me with looks too but for me the VF is a great platform and HSV have thrown some great gear at it making a great car. It's kind of like when the BA GT was released, it was a slower but a better all round car to the HSV at the time which was quicker. Now I find the HSV to be a better all rounder and the Ford more raw, primitive and quicker.
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That club sport is pretty sexy though
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Prior to the test it was "The most powerful car ever build in Australia" AFTER the test, the wording was changed to "The most powerful HOLDEN ever built". |
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Its a grey area, isn't it? Ford cant put the peak power on the badge or in the specs because it isn't capable of producing that figure under all conditions. So who gets to lay claim to 'most powerful'?
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![]() Does no one read these threads? Fords overboost is nothing unique to fords. It's just a PR name. Every car has the ability to pull power at start up and extreme conditions! |
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Anyway, my 335 has more than enough kW for me!
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I'm not a 'ford' or 'Holden' bloke as such. I have 2 fords and one hsv so I suppose if anything you could say I'm on the blue side. Point is I'm not a one eyed supporter of either That being said there's no doubt in my mind the hsv is the more powerful car. And so it should being a 6.2L supercharged v8 as opposed to a 5l... And like I said the performance does reflect that |
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So we acknowledge it makes more than the badge but we still think the detuned lsa in the clubby is more powerful because the badge says so?
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And yes there's no doubt at all that the 5L makes a lot more power than what the badge says |
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Ok cool, so I think it's fair to say gts, gtf, xr8 sprint, probably xr6t sprint then Clubsport lsa as an order then?
I'm happy to acknowledge the gts has more at the fly than the gtf and the gtf has more at the wheels. Sounds like we've reached a consensus everyone. Edit forgot the 335, it probably has more than the clubby too... It's dropping down the order fast... Not a bad effort for Ford 4 of the top 5 power wise at the time they shut up shop...
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I'd have all 6 if I had the coin and garage space...
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Hence why the famous dyno battle put the Ford GTF on top. Not the 43000kw badged HSV. I Garuntee when they release the final GtsR they'll do another dyno battle to see who has the most powerful car! They won't be looking at badges ![]() |
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why is this? Both cars are rated at the same power yet one produces less on a dyno. Does this mean that one of these identical cars is more powerful than the other? No it doesn't. Both engines have the same power. One just shows a lower reading on a dyno. |
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But no need to fret.....were all grown ups here.....but I'm not sure why you think driveline losses mean anything in this debate. That's exactly why cars are dynoed. Ok, so it's not a question about which cars have a more powerful "engine"....it's which cars put the most power to the ground. Doesn't matter if theyre auto or manual.....or one is a 7.0Scharged engine, or has front wheel drive. As long as any tests done use comparable gearboxes, that issue is covered! When these magazines tell us who is the most powerful of the tested cars......it's not an "engine" dyno competition. They are showing the public which car puts more power to the road! It's exactly what everyone does on this forum to show how much power they put out. They don't go to an 'engine' dyno, or look at the cars badges. They put them on the dyno so the car as a whole puts out the figure. Tougher drive lines like the GTS clearly suck power but that's the trade off for reliability with big power. As has been done allready, adding performance figures into this debate is irrelevant, as there is a whole other group of things like tyres, weight and so on that can help or overcome power. Now let's not forget this debate started on the topic of claimed most powerful cars that have all been dynoed by said magazine so they could title "the most powerful Australian muscle car". It wasn't the GTS, despite its badges!!! Last edited by 1TUFFUTE; 19-02-2016 at 01:44 AM. |
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So what's the consensus here?
Are people saying the Ford ISNT the most powerful car atm, despite the dyno title it won, and despite Holden changing their advertisements logo after said dyno title too "holdens most powerful"...... Or is the Holden the most powerful because it has a bigger badge number, and no doubt would win on an 'engine' dyno...... Performance figures, sale figures, looks and so on are all irrelevant here...... |
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