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07-04-2009, 08:06 AM | #31 | |||
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I want an SR5 but not for damn near $60K on the road with alloy tray. Economic slow down my ****, there are a lot of people with money to burn. |
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07-04-2009, 08:49 AM | #32 | ||
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Everyone knows Holden are discounting the hell out of Commodores to clear sitting stock. They'll continue to sell like hotcakes until that stock runs low and Holden start producing on a basis closer to what Ford is now - made to order.
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07-04-2009, 09:09 AM | #33 | |||
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07-04-2009, 09:40 AM | #34 | |||
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07-04-2009, 10:49 AM | #35 | |||
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138 Caprice + an export market Not huge numbers, maybe a little less than Mondeo ! |
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Heres a story on fleet sales-
http://www.fleetpartners.com.au/medi...e.aspx?id=1865 It's on Feb figures but probably typical of the market in general. Of interest is the following - In a sign of the times, sales of locally made six-cylinder vehicles, which comprise about 70% of fleet purchases, declined 23.4% over February and were down 18.8% over the past year. The FCAI now forecasts total sales for 2009 of just 863,000 vehicles, compared to 1,012,164 sales in 2008, the second highest annual sales on record. ------- Typically, FalCom sales are circa 70% fleet so it would seem companies are doing the belt tightening and private buyers are downsizing, which we knew anyway. Pity Falcon can't sell in a market that's forecasted to be the second highest. I've done my bit and bought an FG XR8 |
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Infact even an F6 can be, and being commercial you pay less luxury car tax : I got the XR |
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07-04-2009, 09:25 PM | #43 | ||
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The hilux is so successful because the tradie husband buys an SR5 for work purposes and claims all the tax benefits, but really, an SR5 is a luxury car and more likely the wife is driving the kids around in it.......
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07-04-2009, 09:30 PM | #44 | |||
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But seriously is a Hilux that much better then a Navara or a Ranger?? Probably if you want a V6...
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07-04-2009, 10:23 PM | #47 | |||
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08-04-2009, 04:35 PM | #49 | |||
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2009 v 2008
Ford Ford Escape 145 210 Ford Fairlane 2 14 Ford Falcon 1,990 2,322 Ford Falcon Ute 845 1,291 Ford Fiesta 834 634 Ford Focus 1,458 1,284 Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 65 107 Ford Mondeo 289 356 Ford Ranger 4X2 503 703 Ford Ranger 4X4 527 729 Ford Territory 763 1,310 Ford Transit 114 198 Ford Transit Bus 11 6 Ford Transit C/C 24 40 Ford Total 7,570 9,206 Holden Holden Adventra 1 1 Holden Astra 937 1,040 Holden Astra Convertible 40 81 Holden Barina 855 1,150 Holden Caprice 138 166 Holden Captiva 576 898 Holden Colorado 4X2 413 0 Holden Colorado 4X4 911 0 - Holden Combo 46 88 Holden Commodore 3,544 3,988 Holden Epica 263 319 Holden Monaro 2 3 Holden Rodeo 4X2 25 493 Holden Rodeo 4X4 29 930 Holden Statesman 40 179 Holden Utility 4X2 885 1,345 Holden Utility 4X4 2 0 Holden Viva 481 530 Holden Total 9,188 11,211 |
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08-04-2009, 05:29 PM | #51 | ||
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Toyota Aurion 1,088 2,235 Toyota Avensis 89 97 Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,515 2,332 Toyota Coaster 23 27 Toyota Corolla 3,007 3,968 Toyota Hiace Bus 213 257 Toyota Hiace Van 835 937 Toyota Hilux 4X2 1,199 1,557 Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,107 1,972 Toyota Kluger 1,030 1,446 Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 599 506 Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 666 1,091 Toyota Prado 1,072 1,052 Toyota Prius 217 314 Toyota RAV4 1,024 1,349 Toyota Tarago 183 358 Toyota Yaris 1,741 2,171 Toyota Total 16,608 21,669 |
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08-04-2009, 06:36 PM | #52 | ||
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I cant believe toyota sold that many yaris's . Does anyone test drive a car before buying .
But all in all apart from toyota almost selling more then holden and ford combined . They have droped a lot of sales since this time last year. |
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08-04-2009, 07:12 PM | #54 | |||
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That is why they sell, most people think about cars the same as they do about fridges and stoves, it is just a gizmo you have and occaisionally use to allow you to get on with the important things in life..... |
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08-04-2009, 07:25 PM | #55 | |||
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On the positive ledger, Fiesta is really taking off and maybe it is dragging customers in who are now also buying Focus! WTF, Holden still have Adventra's and Monaro's? They've been gone for years! 3 people's 'new' cars are very old!
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08-04-2009, 07:31 PM | #56 | |||
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Thats fair enough . But it quite hard to find out if its reliable from a test drive . I test drove one for my sister the other week it was about 24k . The interior felt like paper mache . The speedo is in the middle of the dash (clearly there for cheaper coversions) . Engine sounds like your squeezing a cat and the thing barely moves with out a lot of throttle applied . Turn a corner that i thought was not to quick and had to stop my head from slamming against the side windows because the car was shaking me like a jack in the box . Auto gearbox was average In comparison to the madza 2 and fiesta it was not in the same class except for value as in bits chucked in . After test driving the yaris i was realived to get in my 88 courier and that says alot. The rest of what you said was very impressive resale , and no warranty repairs are traits i wish ford could pick up . But that would be all I I understand that people dont care what they drive some much to them it like buying a tv or fridge . But for me buying a yaris would be like buying a push bike with no seat. Also to top it off it was voted the gay mans cutest car of the year. |
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08-04-2009, 08:15 PM | #57 | ||
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There is nothing wrong with the FG falcon and the horrible ads are not to blame either. If you look at those Vfact figures there is a steady lean towards cheaper and more "fuel efficient" cars.
I am also over the "fords are crap and break down all the time" comments I get from people all the time. They're brainwashed by the terribly biased media and bogan dyed in the wool holden fans. I see alot of commodores and falcons come through our workshop. I have easily changed/rebuilt between 7 and 10 commodore v6 engines each year due to cam bearing failures, big end failures etc. I have only ever changed one single EF motor due to it snapping a timing chain ( cheaper and easier to swap it out with a secondhand engine under warranty) Falcons with 150k+ on them will have very little work required for a safety certificate whereas a commodore with less k's will require much more work to bring it up to scratch. Our apprentice wanted a commodore and hated fords when he first started. he will now never own a commodore after seeing what comes through our workshop. He says he will either buy a falcon or a toyota troopy for camping etc. It is all unjustified, false perception brought on mostly by the media
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08-04-2009, 08:24 PM | #58 | |||
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The fleet market is not buying Falcons for any number of reasons. 1. Most fleet managers (particularly government bodies) now have rather restrictive greenhouse targets they must meet. Ford have only belatedly addressed this issue this month with the Falcon going 5.5 starts and DSC now being available on LPG models. If it is not diesel or has more than four cylinders, it needs a persuasive argument to get a Falcon. (I cannot get my Territory back through work because of its greenhouse gas ratings, period.) 2. Ford’s method of doing fleet discounts is geared towards the big volume sellers. If you have a small fleet (or have a big fleet but are only purchasing a small number of Falcons) the discount on offer is small, which appears counter intuitive if you are trying to build your fleet numbers up. Whereas Toyota gives great fleet discounts for their Camry/Hilux (and the Hilux has four cylinders and diesel boxes to tick as well). When I got my G6E, I may as well gone retail. 3. Resale has a big ouch point to any fleet manager rolling over their stock. Once bitten, twice shy managers would rather get a four cylinder with a known exit price. And, one has to admit, the current crop of four cylinder vehicles is exceptional. Think Mazda 3, Focus, Golf, Impreza et al. Or step up to a Mazda 6, Mondeo, Jetta, Liberty. The only cars that make me shudder are the Corolla and the Camry, the rest is more than reasonable. 4. This only leaves the user choosers in the fleet area to drive the Falcon sales and they are just not interested. |
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09-04-2009, 01:01 AM | #59 | |||
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Ecotec motor at about 150,000k's??
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09-04-2009, 10:49 AM | #60 | ||
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Some bright spots from the stats reveal Fiesta beating last year's sales, and Focus getting the nod over the Astra.
In a sinking market - not too bad overall
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