Best VE shots yet! - Page 2

Poetic Justice · 04-05-2006, 08:38 PM

Doesn't look like it's going to be a huge difference.

I'm really surprised if they haven't designed a new ute rear end? Thought it'd be about time they updated.

Chucky · 04-05-2006, 08:49 PM

Must admit I'm interested in the mechanical specs of it.

From what I've seen styling wise it'll be a sure fire winner. Seems to have a touch of 5 series BMW in the window line which I personally like.
Best thing... Those big twin exhausts. Very nice!

BPXR6T · 04-05-2006, 08:58 PM

I don't know. But I'm usually pretty standoffish with new models. The only model new car that was an instant hit with me was the BA. I'm not sold on the VE styling.

McobraR · 04-05-2006, 09:06 PM

Is it me, or the VE is starting to look more and more like a VZ? The passenger section looks very similar, which has been the same since VT...sheesh!

clontarf_x · 04-05-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2kool4u

But if the holden models with have 280kw the HSV will have to be more powerful.

Unless HSV is being given the boot, which wouldn't suprise me. HSV what? FPV have been kicking their *** with new stuff and poor HSV owners are holding onto their V8 keyrings whimpering

And I highly doubt if Holden are creating a T or TT V6 that HSV will have anything to go on

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Chucky · 04-05-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by clontarf_x

And I highly doubt if Holden are creating a T or TT V6 that HSV will have anything to go on

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You might be a fraction dissapointed then!

AWD Chaser · 04-05-2006, 10:08 PM

With the roof/door line, it looks like it will be very hard to get in and out of the rear doors...

347_XR8 · 04-05-2006, 10:12 PM

Not a fan of it

Bucket · 04-05-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nb_351

does look like a composite of a few current cars, camry, civiv etc... and yes the bootlid does look like magna... and yes the b4 did have twin turbos, but were sequential i think the word is... the smaller one boosted up first, helping the bigger one boost quickly, a bit like antilag...

Even so...The Typhoon has a pretty good torque line considering its boost. Its 6 Cyl. compared to the VE would have more torque out of the Box, and then with the tweaking thats gone on.. even more..and I'd say it would be relative for the VE...But Man...it may really lack in torque...especially considering its weight

WASP · 04-05-2006, 10:32 PM

Looks good IMO. Looks like a the end result of a three-way between a Camry, VZ and a Falcon so it can't be all bad..lol Does it really matter anyway, it would have to look pretty damn ugly for the Australian Holden loving public not to buy it.

If they make a turbo version of it they will sell well to. The average Jo perceives a V6 to be more advanced than a I6.

HLC · 04-05-2006, 10:49 PM

still ugly.

GTP-814 · 04-05-2006, 10:49 PM

the rear end looks a lot like the Astra, which is the same as te old statesman. Their asses all look the same. & whats with the ride hight??? why would they be testing a high powered machine that sits so high??

XR_Strider_GuY · 04-05-2006, 10:50 PM

The dead giveaway is the extra length from the rear doors to the rear wheel arch this shows how much longer the VE wheelbase is compared to VZ.
The doors have a Europe/Lexus ish look with the higher window line than VE and as well as high position door handles.

The doors are typical Commodore and follow the DNA of commodores since the VB where by the roof extends right out to the doors and the doors themselves only contain the glass and a very thin frame.

AWD Chaser · 04-05-2006, 11:00 PM

It might look like 5hit, but as soon as you can see the front bar and rear bar, it may give the car a whole different look!

I know a guy in R & D at holden.... blah blah - forget that crap

I know a guy at holden, and he hates the look of them! He drives a Falcon (gave the holden company car to his wife)...

Full Spectrum · 05-05-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i hear the sedan is the only model that has a differant chassis to the vz . the utes will be vz based.
it looks much like a vy to me . but we'll wait and see.

The Utes and Waggon will be VZ for some time, Maybe almost 2 years?.

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Originally Posted by DeathXR

The best thing they've done from what I can see is given the rear arch a proper rear arch, and not a have arsed one using the rear passenger doors as the front end of the arch, ala VT-VZ which is very pov.

It's also in my VP.

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

With the roof/door line, it looks like it will be very hard to get in and out of the rear doors...

Come on as a guy who has hit his head many times in a AU it couldn't be that bad could it

One thing i have noticed with the BA you don't hit your head as the AU. I read they moved the seat position.

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Originally Posted by Bucket

Even so...The Typhoon has a pretty good torque line considering its boost. Its 6 Cyl. compared to the VE would have more torque out of the Box, and then with the tweaking thats gone on.. even more..and I'd say it would be relative for the VE...But Man...it may really lack in torque...especially considering its weight

It will be more of a XR6T competitor then a Typhoon. I can't see it having 280kw maybe 260kw? if the V8 is 280kw.

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Originally Posted by GTP-814

the rear end looks a lot like the Astra, which is the same as te old statesman. Their asses all look the same. & whats with the ride hight??? why would they be testing a high powered machine that sits so high??

OMG you have x-ray vison

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Originally Posted by XR_Strider_GuY

The dead giveaway is the extra length from the rear doors to the rear wheel arch this shows how much longer the VE wheelbase is compared to VZ.
The doors have a Europe/Lexus ish look with the higher window line than VE and as well as high position door handles.

The doors are typical Commodore and follow the DNA of commodores since the VB where by the roof extends right out to the doors and the doors themselves only contain the glass and a very thin frame.

I don't know they said the moved the front wheels forward not the rears.

ED Classic · 05-05-2006, 02:11 AM

If thats some sort of upper spec car with tuned supension then I would hate to see the base model because this one needs serious lowering at the rear. Other than that looks OK so far.

ED Classic · 05-05-2006, 02:16 AM

In my opinion and based on todays market, After an initiall sales boost it will be fuel consumption that has a big impact on whether its sales continue. If the sticker on the windscreen is frightingly high {due to the weight} and reviews go against them,they will find it super hard.

AWD Chaser · 05-05-2006, 03:25 AM

Just a Q: Why would they put a test car like that on the road, while trying to hide everything (Front & rear bumpers, taillights, side indicator assembly, etc), yet still put 17" Alloys on it? Why not use steelies?

SpoolMan · 05-05-2006, 11:10 AM

Looking like a 380 side on.

Des · 05-05-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Looking like a 380 side on.

Agreed, small boot opening as well. Not convinced on the look yet, I'll wait for the release.

gtfpv · 05-05-2006, 04:13 PM

i have some very good insider information that HSV are working on a new all alloy 29 litre V34. fully imported and detuned from the states.

Danny · 05-05-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CDAA

If they make a turbo version of it they will sell well to. The average Jo perceives a V6 to be more advanced than a I6.

Really? Thats a shame, considering some of the best 6 Cyl engines in the world are I6's. M3 and CSL variants, and Dare I say it R34 GTR Skyline. The only other 6 I can think of that unbeleivable and percieved to be one of the best in the world is the Porsche 6's. and they are NOT in a Vee configuration...

[Tonko] · 05-05-2006, 04:56 PM

did they get the same suspension from the rodeo or something? looks like they're takin a leaf out of the ford E-series hand book.

MarkIV · 05-05-2006, 05:19 PM

The VE has the look that a lot of cars are getting that makes the wheel arches look small and the wheels even smaller.

As the rear waistline of these cars is designed higher and higher there soon won't be a need for rear wheel arches at all!

turboute · 05-05-2006, 07:47 PM

HSV wouldn't do anything with the 6 - aparrently their customers will get confused and their heads might explode - or something like that.

Twin turbo's are great- usually come at a price though - both at initial purchase price and when it comes to servicing / repairs / upgrades. Also the Falcon six is more suited to a single due to it's larger capacity and longer stroke - which mean less lag. The shorter stroke & capacity engines (ie lots less torque off boost) really benefit from the twins with less inertia.

That being said: the toyota 1JZ was sold in both forms with the later engines getting the single turbo and no real performance difference.
The RX7's went twin turbo and many performance houses had an option to ditch the twins - which were prone to failure due to their complexity, again the upgrade yeilded a power upgrade with only minor effects on the torque curve.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-05-2006, 08:43 PM

I would love to buy a Holden next time if they actually brought out something new and better then Ford, specially in the 6 department.

Not because I dislike Ford but just for something different, with all the problems Ive had with the Fords it would be good to try a Holden out for comparison sake to see if they are actually better built / finished off. I have alot of mates with Holdens / HSVs who never complain about their cars, yes they have problems and theres little doubt about that, but their problems dont go for pages like some of ours do.. The last Holden my Family had was a VS SS V8, which was a brillant car i must say in all respects, never had an issue with it asside from the oil pump at 50,000 kays, the only thing we didnt like about it was the ride quility, the IRS was extremely rough and unsupportive on country roads..

Holden has the better V8 option and always has the past decade, the Gen III was no doubt a better motor then the Windsors even tho it did have its oil burning issues..

Full Spectrum · 06-05-2006, 03:24 AM

A guy over at GM insiders pooped this together, It's not perfect but it's a pretty good job. You can see some of the lines and curves are missing but it gives a different look rather then Computer generated images.

freaky · 06-05-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

I would love to buy a Holden next time if they actually brought out something new and better then Ford, specially in the 6 department.

Not because I dislike Ford but just for something different, with all the problems Ive had with the Fords it would be good to try a Holden out for comparison sake to see if they are actually better built / finished off. I have alot of mates with Holdens / HSVs who never complain about their cars, yes they have problems and theres little doubt about that, but their problems dont go for pages like some of ours do.. The last Holden my Family had was a VS SS V8, which was a brillant car i must say in all respects, never had an issue with it asside from the oil pump at 50,000 kays, the only thing we didnt like about it was the ride quility, the IRS was extremely rough and unsupportive on country roads..

Holden has the better V8 option and always has the past decade, the Gen III was no doubt a better motor then the Windsors even tho it did have its oil burning issues..

I am thinking the same as yourselff at the moment, but coming from the other side. Never had any major issues with the holdens I have driven for 16 years, but I am now bored and wanted to try something different. Must say I get alittle concerned when i read this type of feedback whether I should just stay holden..

I guess it works both ways, I don't think one manufacturer is better than another and both have their own QA and build quality issues to contend with.

WASP · 06-05-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Really? Thats a shame, considering some of the best 6 Cyl engines in the world are I6's. M3 and CSL variants, and Dare I say it R34 GTR Skyline. The only other 6 I can think of that unbeleivable and percieved to be one of the best in the world is the Porsche 6's. and they are NOT in a Vee configuration...

Yes, most enthusiasts know better but the Jo average looking for a family sedan doesn't.

WASP · 06-05-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

I would love to buy a Holden next time if they actually brought out something new and better then Ford, specially in the 6 department.

Not because I dislike Ford but just for something different, with all the problems Ive had with the Fords it would be good to try a Holden out for comparison sake to see if they are actually better built / finished off. I have alot of mates with Holdens / HSVs who never complain about their cars, yes they have problems and theres little doubt about that, but their problems dont go for pages like some of ours do.. The last Holden my Family had was a VS SS V8, which was a brillant car i must say in all respects, never had an issue with it asside from the oil pump at 50,000 kays, the only thing we didnt like about it was the ride quility, the IRS was extremely rough and unsupportive on country roads..

Holden has the better V8 option and always has the past decade, the Gen III was no doubt a better motor then the Windsors even tho it did have its oil burning issues..

Brent, go wash your mouth out boy!!!

Seriously it does come down to what type of experience you have had. My last 2 XR8's and the GT has been a fantastic ownership experience, but I can't say the same for the new Focus..so far. Ialmost have got to the point of trading it on another brand several times, but not a Holden...hehe