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We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Ford is almost completely sold out of SY Territory stock
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I'll open it anyway, the current Falcon, in its current guise, sucks *** when it comes to what you get, you get an awesome engine and gearbox, thats about it, interior wise, everything is cheap and plasticy, you get a monochrome screen with only 6 radio presets, the "premium" audio option is expensive and it sucks, no HID lights even as an option, no auto up/down on all electric windows, no heated mirrors (My Fiesta has this but Focus doesn't, and its a big one for me). The seating position is crap, its high, the steering column doesn't adjust upwards enough if you're a tall and fat bastard like me, makes it a bit awkward to get into. The seats are very comfy though, I'll give them that. There is a lot of little things that make up the experience of the car, especially for people like me who want to be comfortable and have things to keep them entertained while they're waiting in the car for someone or that makes the driving experience that much better. For something that costs $35,000 you don't really get much with it. I think that might be with our market though, have a look at what VW does with their line up, they remove standard features on their cars in other markets, then sell them to us on upper spec models or as expensive options, look at the new Focus, the American one has the Ford MySync bizzo and ours has this crappy monochrome screen. You can't sell a car in 2011, unless its stupidly cheap with nothing, or it comes loaded up with "crap you don't need" and these days with people putting fuel economy above all else, what hope does the I6 really have? When people think Falcon, they think fuel hungry dinosaur. It has a bad reputation. Not to mention Ford's dealership network is real bad, 99% of the dealerships treat you like crap. Everything needs to improve on the Falcon, ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT! No matter how excellent something is, always think of improvements. If don't fix it if it aint broke was the way, we'd all be cruising around in Model Ts. |
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I disagree with what you are are saying about styling though.
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OTOH, when i got a VW, they were upfront - 8 month wait, and that is exactly how long it took. Just bought a Renault, was told 4 month wait. And that is excatly how long it took. If companies on the other side of the world can get their delivery date estimates correct to within a week, why cant a local manufacturer??? |
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Salesman: Hello there Mr Average Joe! How can I help you? Mr Average Joe: Hello, Salesman, I'm interested in this here "Ecoboost" Falcon, I hear its really good on fuel! Salesman: Ahh yes, Mr Average Joe! It has that new 4 cylinder engine. Mr Average Joe: 4 Cylinder? *Starts shuddering with fear, remembering his Starfire-4 Commodore* I had a Starfire-4 Commodore back in 1980....... Salesman: ![]() Well, thats probably not going to happen but when I mentioned Ecoboost Falcon to Dad and 4 cylinder, he said right away "But that 4 cylinder Commodore....." I don't think its going to get much consideration from the average baby boomer, really. |
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I was told the other month buy a few car journos that Ford have new media types that look after the car journos, I think from Merc? Not sure, can't remember 100%. Anyway, they reckoned the new blood were good operators and things should get better.
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seriously guys, take the blinkers off. do a google search of falcon, and this forum is one of the places that gets a lot of hits. anyone looking for a new car would be turned off if this is how the fans carry on. no wonder falcon isn't selling well. |
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Looking back, BA to BF, supposedly new model, yet who apart from the Ford faithful would know the difference? BA/BA2/BF/BF2, nothing different over FOUR models. FG exterior, very easy to confuse with BA/BF from distance. Its supposed to be a new car from the BF, yet looks like new panels on the same chassis. There's no mistaking VE and what came before. Quote:
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WHy is it always appearing that Ford follow Holden in terms of standard equipment and styling, rather than leading? Even now, Commodore has dual-zone climate and curtain airbags... still only optional on the Ford. When VE first came out, everyone was... OMG, wow, what a change - it was a paradigm shift when we were all thinking cars would get smaller and lighter. FG OTOH, a reskinned BF was the impression I and many others had. I think Ford probably have a few too many engineers. The man on the street doesnt care how many new parts are under the skin, he wants to see and touch the changes... the automotive equivalent of 'pics or it didnt happen'. |
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There is some great and critical product coming they need to get it right. Throwing in some free trips for 'journalists' to Detroit like GMHolden have done for ever would probably help too...
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It's interesting ho the FCAI (federated Chamber of Automotive Industry) rates car sizes,
while a mazda 3/cruze/Focus...ect could be considered almost Mid sized, the FCAI deems them small cars. Similarly, the difference between large mid sized cars and large cars seems to come down to engine capacity, mid sizers all have 4-cylinder engines while large car have 6 and 8 cylinder engines. Camry = 4 cyl, Aurion = V6 Hmm, this is where the the grey gets interesting... What if FCAI classifies Ecoboost Falcon as a large Mid sizer same as Mondeo ( EB 2.0 engine) would that mean Ford then has two entrants in mid sized category as well as Falcon? |
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so camry is classed as mid size and aurion is large, yet essentially they are the same car.
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There is certainly a difference between those who want all the gizmo's and those who need/want a RWD car. Thats not to say those who want RWD dont want gizmo's but it seems practicality from the normal A-B stuff is important.
I guess my opinion is that I dont think its the actual engineering behind the falcon thats the problem. Its the appearance (even though it looks good) and bells and whistle that need addressing. Lets assume that the upcoming I4T, LiLPG and TDi Tezz take care or aid to fix the fuel consumption "issue". Marketing is needed behind that too. One Ford in theory takes care of the bells and whistles, one would assume FG2 (in bits) will be the first sign of this, its not like they make a decision and we see an impact straight away..it will take a few years. (that goes for ANY company). I also cant see how downsizing the falcon make it more attractive. If anything that would make matters worse. Whats the point in having a sedan in RWD format the same of the Mondeo when a large percentage of the people who buy them dont care which way its driven. My mum has a new C240...its nice and all but I am telling you now rear room is RUBBISH...and once I get in the front and put the chair back you would struggle for comfort back there... Which brings me back to sport/luxury...which also could be seen a Lincoln by another name?
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