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Supercharge, elegance is always in fashion and power is nothing without control. :
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If you want it to go fast, just put a Cleveland (tm) in it.
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05-08-2005, 01:46 PM | #5 | |||
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Seriously, I prefer turbos. Regardless of what the blow off valve sounds like, or spooling or whatever, at the end of the day, they are more efficient. Plus, you know you're not going to be satisfied with the initial power, and it will be a steady climb to increase power. The turbo seems pretty obvious to me. Rick.
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i voted turbo, a gt3540 would be right at home next to the vct rocker cover and look fantastic.
One day id like another turbo car, the rush onto boost is hard to forget in my ea. Maybe a gt40 on my xr8? |
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05-08-2005, 09:17 PM | #7 | ||
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Supercharger. A positive displacement supercharger suits the low revving nature of the falcon better than a turbo which to be raelly honest you will get real power out of without all those 24 valves and dohc and vct etc on the BA.
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05-08-2005, 12:07 AM | #8 | ||
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05-08-2005, 12:09 AM | #9 | ||
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supercharged for sure.
do what you've always wanted to do. when it comes down to it, a supercharger can make decent power, its only when chasing insane power levels that the turbo starts to come out on top. but who wants to be changing the diff & trans to suit all that. supercharger for sure!
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Might need a solution more environmentally friendly Shane... like a coal fired steam engine.
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Hippies burn well and cleanly too apparently too dave ;)
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they may burn cleanly, but jesus the smell!
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Both will give you good performance. Every man an his dog seems to have plans to bolt a turbo on the side of their I6. Turbos are attractive for obvious reasons, but I say go with what you have always wanted and get the supercharger.
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So I voted supercharger for the same reason I'm considering supercharging my XF eventually - it's different to what everyone else has.
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Supercharger for sure.
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It's hard... do superchargers have emissions problems? Does a supercharged car need to be engineered?
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a supercharger install would need to be engineered as much as a turbo install.
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As you have an auto and want big power a turbo is the only answer. As you have said yourself big power can really only be had with a turbocharger, look at all the fastest 6's on here, how many are supercharged? Supercharging may be different, but FSM Niki's are different too and who wants one of them?
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05-08-2005, 02:32 AM | #21 | ||
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What do you class as big power? Sure turbos come into their own in midrange torque and top end scream when tuned flat out, however i don't think casper is out for a dyno queen. Supercharger, if its something you have allways wanted get it. A Gear driven blower sounds 39.2x better than a turbo hence part of its appeal. Whatever you do, go for a vortech atleast a powerdyne kit just wont cut it when in comparison to a turbo install.
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I guess part of the issue is how much power I can get from a supercharger. The setup will not be a half *** job but the full deal. Head work, pistons, computer, etc etc etc. As you can imagine it’s a long term project and will be a significant cost. Therefore I have to ask myself, for the investment, what do I want back? In the end it is 2 things.
1. Power, as much as I can squeeze out of it. Not “dyno queen numbers” power, really don’t give too much of a crap about that. No, the sort of power I want is tyre frying, wheel spinning, ¼ munching insanity. The sort of power that will cause wheel spin if I floor it at 100kph on the freeway. The sort of power that make me scared to drive in traffic. The sort of power that forces involuntary whoops and yeehaa’s from my lips : 2. Personal satisfaction. This is my thing, my motivation and my reasoning. The project is for me, no one else, so the personal side of it is as important as the power side. Seriously though, if I’m going forced induction and spending the money, I want some serious mumbo. I wont be happy with anything under 300rwkw to be honest. Both the Vortech and a Turbo can do this. The big issue that has struck me now is…..what if I want more? The Vortech will be getting close to its effective and reliable limits….a turbo wont. So the big question I have to ask myself is “is 300rwkw enough to satisfy me?” I doubt it to be honest! Once its there and running I’ll get used to it, I know I will. That’s why I’m now seriously looking at a Turbo setup. A proper one, full build, minimum compromises. That way, as funds permit, the wick can be turned up. At least till the auto turns to mush and drops on the ground.
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The S-Trim is the second smallest of the lot I think, then there are ProCharger making great centrifugal s/c head units as well... I haven't driven a good centrifugal s/c car, or a good turbo car so I can't/won't comment on how the driving experience may be different. If done well, either way will be a e load of fun and quick. I would be very suprised if one path will cost significantly more than the other given the goals you seek. Good luck
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I agree, the blow of sound is GAY, but the sound of the turbo spooling is much much nicer Noting like hearing the new r34 GTR's spooling, mmmmm.
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Putting things like $$$ and power aside for a second, consider which one will cause you more aggravation? When you do make decision and spend all that time on the upgrade, you're going to want the car to run like it's God with a firework forced up his *** (don't now if that would make God faster but I find the idea amusing). You don't want it sitting on stands the rest of it's life while you play around fixing up all the little things that go wrong.
If you look back on the history of Brendan's white el, it hasn't exactly been smooth sailing. He spent allot of time planning out the charger and then allot of time building it. He then spent allot of time rebuilding it over and over again and just couldn't get a reliable runout of it with out something braking. The end result, he ripped it out, worked out a crazy turbo set up and now has an insane beast of pure power. I think you know what the more efficient way to go is, the question is are you going to regret giving up your dream and going a Turbo. What ever way you go as long as you can thrash Dan I'll be happy.
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Casper come for a ride in my car on the 13th if your coming to heathcote. Its smooth in traffic and can be kept off boost but anything more than half throttle in traffic is sideways! I am scared to drive on 14psi all the time. The passengers are moreso! :evilking:
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I think you also have to really question yourself whether spending more money on a supercharger setup is worth it just because it's old-school and sounds better. Maybe run it by the boss first ;) But the old-school supercharger sound is unreal!! I'd be looking at the turbo due to the fact that you want "insane" amounts of power. Most of us know here it's usually a matter of winding up the boost, among other things, and away you go. I just see it leaving a whole lot more potential. One more thing, I don't know myself, but being mechanically driven isn't the supercharger basically running all the time? Hence higher fuel consumption? Whilst you can drive your car sedately off boost (or very little) with a turbo and have the general characteristics of an NA car until you plant the throttle. Maybe I'm totally off here but anyway!! Have you considered the drivetrain much? Is it going to take much more than 200 at the rear bags before crapping itself? Either way, I'm sure JMM will do a top-notch quality job on it and make it run excellent times.. You bastard.
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What makes the whine is just the straight-cut gears in the head unit. You can get helical cut gears in the same head unit for less noise if you like, but thats no fun.
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I voted turbo.. as good as supercharging will be you said yourself that 300rwkw might not satisfy you.. With a supercharger you can only make so much power, If you turbocharge theres bigger power to be made alot easier.
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