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Paxton..no sense of humour!!!!!! Ford Australia is again behind the 8 ball!! All new Territory and Falcon SHOULD have been released in 2010, not 2010/2011. Just look at the KIA Optima..thats gonna sell by the boatload. FORD won't even have half its equipment for the price. Don't get me wrong, I have been driving FORDS for 40 years but FORD Australia have lost the plot.....They really need to get their act together..now!!!! not late 2010/2011.
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Good luck them outselling the Falcon. You have a point but at the end of the day Holdens only doing marginally better, how they cope designing and building cars specific to a market as small as Australia / New Zealand region is mind blowing when you look at other products like the Focus / Mondeo which are sold in many markets... |
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EEErrmmmm whats this about the I6 DELETE? thats a joke right .
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For a rwd Falcon to survive the I6 will have to die.
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We still have 4 or 5 more years of the I6 & rwd before new falcon /whatever replaces it. Would expect notable improvements in current duratechs or possibly a new V6 to be available by then so all good as far as i can see. As far as falcons lack of gadgets, im hopeing that will be partialy addressed with fg2....
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I have posted before, the G6E lacks specification for a luxury model. It is basically a tarted up XT. Compare the Mondeo Titanium to the G6E.What FORD needs to do is put the MONDEO specification, in the G6E at the current G6E price. Then FORD will have a big luxury car.
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They really need to change the FPV wheels come FG2! The XR6 N/A will probably get standard 18" wheels and hopefully the XT is discontinued in favour of G6 being the base model.
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Will believe it when/if it happens and only then. People can say all sorts of things but no-one really knows until it does happen.
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Regards Bobby Current Cars: 2000 AU2 Fairmont (2019-current) 2003 BA1 Falcon Divvy Van (2017-current) 2009 VW Mk6 Golf 118TSi (2020-current) Previous Cars: 2003 MCX10R Avalon VXi (2017-2020) 1995 EF1 Falcon GLi (2016-2019) 1997 XH2 Falcon Van OPT20 (2016-2019) 2006 BF Fairlane Ghia (2013-2018) 2001 AU3 Futura (2010-2013) 1996 EL Fairmont (2008-2010) 2004 BA XR6 (2005-2008) 2001 AU2 Forte (2005-2006) 1988 EA Fairmont Ghia (2003-2005) 1984 AR Telstar TX5 Ghia (2001-2005) |
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The upside now though is Geelong casting isnt reliant on I6 production, so the costs arent as simple as the build numbers compared to what they were years ago.
But that wont protect it against emissions and fuel economy restrictions pushing Ford into an all Ecoboost engine lineup. |
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pay out mass redundancies at Geelong engine - the last lay off of 600 people put FoA's figures deep into the red... Sometimes it is cheaper to do nothing for now and just coast into a corporate solution... |
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Well the pessimism is slowly starting to set in for me, especially after that other thread where its basically been said that they may look at canning local Falcon production. Anyone else able to provide any insight?
I actually don't see how they can manage such low sales, and I have never seen this many three day production work weeks for as long as I can remember. Yes I think the Territory will give a boost to sales, and the Falcon will definately pick up at the end of the year. But if they are said to be finalising the next Ford large car within 6 or so months, that falls before the FGII is released. With its current sales figures, you couldn't blame them for looking at options that we hope they never consider. |
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Really with the V6 Ecoboost, do we need the I6 anyways? Surely its going to be just as good if not better.
If they don't put in HIDs they should look at a factory fitment of Phillips Xtreme Vision +80s, they're really good normal halogen lights, I've got them in my WS and Mum's Festiva and they do make a difference, not just placebo effect. Also cool gadgets like the VE has with its touch screen is a big one for me. Do we know if Ecoboost Falcon is going to be at a premium over the normal XR6 and will it be available in manual? |
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I don't think switching to an Ecoboost engine would suddenly make the Falcon a sales success. Marketing needs to improve big time.
I'm sure Shapes or Tim-Tams aren't selling as well as they did in the "golden era" that was the 1990s into early 2000s. A lot of businesses are suffering these days with half the customers they used to have. Hospitality is one of them. Plenty of small shops closing. Can blame China and our Government for causing this mess IMHO.
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This was exciting news for Arnott’s as it not only confirmed Tim Tam’s status as Australia’s favourite chocolate biscuit, but highlighted that Australians continue to embrace Tim Tam as one of their favourite brands. Tim Tam is the highest selling biscuit per capita in the world, generating more than $100m in sales annually. Tim Tam is in every second household in Australia so it’s no wonder 40 per cent of people hide their packet of Tim Tam biscuits from friends and family!
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Some people don't understand the concept of "platform", body architecture is not necessarily the foundation.
^^^^ This is why Camaro is so heavy and why Ford kept Falcon and Mustang separate for so long. Sharing the same body frame system is not always the smartest thing to do with true derivatives. In terms of up front engineering costs in a vehicle, this is the basic priority: 1) Power trains 2) Electrical systems 3) Suspension modules 4) Floorpan 5) Top hat 6) Trim and glass Vehicles that are true derivatives actually only share the top three modules while thing like Item 4, 5, 6 make the derivative different to the originator. Think Territory, it shares at best 40% of its parts with Falcon and is not on the same platform. Even though they look similar, the Floor pan, top hat glass and trim are all different. So, why couldn't Falcon and Mustang share the more expensive components listed above? Both could still remaining separate projects and satisfy the aims of One Ford efficiency. Last edited by jpd80; 16-02-2011 at 08:27 AM. |
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What must FORD do to sell the FG 2 ?? low % rate ? capped price servicing ? 5 year 200,000km warranty ? ????? they don't seem to take notice of what the opposition are
doing, what if the FG 2was available on 5%, $150 fixed price servicing, 5yr 200,000km warranty as standard.??? it might get some punters thru the door and a sale?????
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The best option to sell more FG 2 would be to decreaes the build cost, thus allowing more options like cheaper finance, extra warranty, capped price servicing. All this would require is for the commodore and falcon to be built on the one line (one could then be renamed the Lexcen) |
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The best way to decrease build cost is to share more parts with Territory and
that is exactly what Ford is planning to do with a lot of this year's changes. If Ford is going to have an SUV and a sedan that sell in relatively low numbers then they better damned well economise and share as many parts as possible. |
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I honestly can't see how they can charge more for the Ecoboost. Yes it sounds like a great motor but I can't think of any cars where the smaller (petrol) motor with less power and torque commands a price premium.
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