HSV VF GTS performance figures. - Page 2

Whitey-AMG · 03-06-2015, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AUwindsor

Low 12's after all these years..... pfft.

Back in 2004 my VTii R8 did low 12's 1/4 at the drag strip with nothing but a tune and exhaust. 11.8's with a 224 camshaft.

New corvette does 10 sec 1/4's. Nissan 35 GTR did low 11's .. etc, bet the new one is even quicker , I haven't even looked. and so on... all global "performance" vehicles are now way ahead

It's simple physics. trying to accelerate 2 tonnes is a lot harder than 1.7 tonnes.
Considering the shortfalls and compromises with the HSV and FPV cars , they do pretty damned well.

Whack the S/C Miami in a focus and see how it goes....

nz13boy · 03-06-2015, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

I have no issues with admitting the GTS is faster. It should be too considering the price tag, equipment and tyres fitted but in my opinion they dropped the ball with the engine fitted to the car. Most powerful Aussie built car ever made, ah nope. 430kw, ah nope. The rest of the car is great.

Benny.

Fair call.

Robos F6 · 04-06-2015, 12:20 AM

I'm still yet to see any GT/GTF beat the GTS in acceleration in any book. Only on the dyno

MethodX · 04-06-2015, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Ain't no Aurion Presara though.

The Aurion? the car that will be around longer than the Falcon you mean?

malazn mafia · 04-06-2015, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

The Aurion? the car that will be around longer than the Falcon you mean?

There were no Aurions back in 1961, last time I checked?

chrisandsharon · 04-06-2015, 02:04 AM

geez if this thread isn't trolling I don't know what is.......lucky you didn't start it Hulk.

MethodX · 04-06-2015, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

There were no Aurions back in 1961, last time I checked?

1961? when ford aus the great "aussie" company sold a Yank car?
ok.
who pulls the strings again?

Dash_XR · 04-06-2015, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by asagaai

This is silly nuanced cherry picking. What about the fact that the Miami blows the forced barra out the water from 4,500 upwards...

The forced barra is a great engine, as is the Miami. Different engines doing different things.

The forced barra works very well with auto, especially for the straight acceleration guys- that is what I thought driving a worked F6, the auto and torque converter helps with the turbo spool and minimising lag. Also the changes with the auto with torque converter keep spool up.

The Miami works better in manual (as there is no boost spool required and the power is immediate and linear), and is great for the guys who like linear power on corners, as you can feel precisely what power is being fed through the engine/clutch gearbox to get the precise power needed in the corner.

Bit puerile to say one engine is better than the other- that is the beauty with engineering, it can result in very different engineering being very potent in very specific and different applications.

Sometimes I wonder if the people who go to print with comments on these machines, have actually driven and really experienced this great machinery we have on tap (at the moment) for astoundingly cheap money relative to what else is out there.

Very little lag on a tuned manual with small turbo. Until humans can physically move their left arm and leg as fast as an automatic can change gears then autos will always be faster regardless of engine type and setup.

Manual is more fun to drive and auto is faster, simple as that.

Sioso · 04-06-2015, 09:35 AM

I drive a stock (apart from KPM intake & fatter rubber) XR6T ute and in the current conditions it is making way more 270kw.
Past 2 mornings have been minus 4 degrees and this turbo just sings!!!
I really can't believe how much harder it is going, I'd love to dyno test it at this temp or put it down the strip, it actually feels as quick as the GTP335 I used to own!

40RDT · 04-06-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

Latest rumour from Ls1 site about series 2 VF -

Redline Series 2 to get a 325kw LS3 with bi-modal exhaust.

New Clubsport "R" to get a detuned 400kw LSA (and big diff from GTS)

No mention of a GTS "R".....yet.

A clubsport with the GTS driveline will be fantastic BFYB. Wonder how much it will be detuned, maybe something like FPV did with the GS?

GTS-R might come along closer to the end of commodore production, if it comes it will be biblical, the GTS is very good platform to start with...

b0son · 04-06-2015, 12:10 PM

I don't see them doing anything major with the engines. Why would they? Their only competitor in that segment trickles cars out in limited numbers, so there's no real reason to spend big $$$ updating a car that's reaching the end of its model run.

**Dave R** · 04-06-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

I have no issues with admitting the GTS is faster. It should be too considering the price tag, equipment and tyres fitted but in my opinion they dropped the ball with the engine fitted to the car. Most powerful Aussie built car ever made, ah nope. 430kw, ah nope. The rest of the car is great.

Benny.

I wouldn't say they dropped the ball simply because a power run on a dyno doesn't back up the fact that it's quicker over 400m with (importantly) more MPH on board whilst also being a heavier car with a heavier duty driveline and larger wheels. There are a few things working against the GTS in straight lines but it still gets the job done, I don't think it's fair to say they dropped the ball. Both teams did well with these final iterations.

Parfrey · 04-06-2015, 01:33 PM

They will have more mid range torque (which is easy, its a big donk) compared to the 5.0l, but peak power is pretty similar. The point is the badge says otherwise!

They are only just quicker over a 1/4 mile, not sure what people are getting out of them but haven't heard of any under 12.1-12.2? Which is basicallty .1 or .2 quicker than a GT/GTF..

**Dave R** · 04-06-2015, 01:37 PM

More a case of Ford under-quoting than HSV over-quoting.

GTBenny · 04-06-2015, 01:42 PM

My comment is not due to the power run nor the quarter mile time. It's directed at the LSA engine. Personally I think it's old hat, but what isn't old hat when it comes to Chev engines. The LSA doesn't come near the Coyote for capability. It surprises me to see the amount of money and mods going into the LSA GTS cars only to match what the Coyote can do tune only.

If GM aren't overstating the power then they must have some serious losses going on to have 120kw less at the rear wheels.

Benny.

**Dave R** · 04-06-2015, 02:05 PM

Well absolutely in that regard the 5.0 is far superior. Also helps that the factory exhaust and cats on the FPVs are very good. The LSA could have come out in the 90s and it still wouldn't have been cutting edge.

Wretched · 04-06-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

If GM aren't overstating the power then they must have some serious losses going on to have 120kw less at the rear wheels.

Benny.

ECE vs DIM?

b0son · 04-06-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

If GM aren't overstating the power then they must have some serious losses going on to have 120kw less at the rear wheels.

120??? which cars are you comparing?

Express · 04-06-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

If GM aren't overstating the power then they must have some serious losses going on to have 120kw less at the rear wheels.

Benny.

Heavy duty driveline?

40RDT · 04-06-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

My comment is not due to the power run nor the quarter mile time. It's directed at the LSA engine. Personally I think it's old hat, but what isn't old hat when it comes to Chev engines. The LSA doesn't come near the Coyote for capability. It surprises me to see the amount of money and mods going into the LSA GTS cars only to match what the Coyote can do tune only.

If GM aren't overstating the power then they must have some serious losses going on to have 120kw less at the rear wheels.

Benny.

A tune only GT is just as fast as a GTS with numerous mods

**Dave R** · 04-06-2015, 03:42 PM

GTS tends to require a full exhaust and pulley to record similar figures to a tune-only GT (again, standard Ford exhaust is good). However the GT will require an intercooler to make that power consistently and reliably. So neither car has a distinct cost advantage when lightly tickled.

mcnews · 04-06-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 40RDT

A tune only GT is just as fast as a GTS with numerous mods

Until the first corner?

Chopped · 04-06-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

I don't see them doing anything major with the engines. Why would they? Their only competitor in that segment trickles cars out in limited numbers, so there's no real reason to spend big $$$ updating a car that's reaching the end of its model run.

One last chance to get the Holden faithful to upgrade their current cars (VEs, VFs etc). If they leave the engines as are, then the sales will decline rapidly over the next two years.

Look what Ford did with the XR8, it's pretty close to an R Spec GT. Also they look like bringing out an F6 with XR6 Turbo badges.

It's all about the sales.

Gadgetman · 04-06-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

I have no issues with admitting the GTS is faster. It should be too considering the price tag, equipment and tyres fitted but in my opinion they dropped the ball with the engine fitted to the car. Most powerful Aussie built car ever made, ah nope. 430kw, ah nope. The rest of the car is great.

Benny.

Hi Benny,

I hear your argument but must admit that there is more to a car than just HP well for me anyway. I have driven a GTS and i like the seating position. For some reason the seats are too high in a Falcon. Cant get the steering wheel high enough, The steering and handling of the GTS is a fair bit better though and i am comparing it to R-spec susp falcons. The std GT susp is too soft. Overall yes i thought the GTS was a better car. its also say 20k more than a GT-P but when you're spending 80k spend an extra 20 and buy the better car. Ohh and as for the bloke who made mention about the I6 turbo powerplant. This engine is a marvel of Australian engineering and a Miami v8 doesnt even come close.

701let · 04-06-2015, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 40RDT

A tune only GT is just as fast as a GTS with numerous mods

When you say numerous mods what do you mean? There's a performance shop that recorded high 10s out of one on street tyres with a pulley upgrade, extractors and hi flow cats, Cai, and a tune.

Pretty basic mods. What times are coming out of tune only GTs?

LoudPipes · 04-06-2015, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 701let

When you say numerous mods what do you mean? There's a performance shop that recorded high 10s out of one on street tyres with a pulley upgrade, extractors and hi flow cats, Cai, and a tune.

Pretty basic mods. What times are coming out of tune only GTs?

I think you misunderstood 40RDT’s post.

He's asking a question of GTBenny’s post.

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Originally Posted by GTBenny

My comment is not due to the power run nor the quarter mile time. It's directed at the LSA engine. Personally I think it's old hat, but what isn't old hat when it comes to Chev engines. The LSA doesn't come near the Coyote for capability. It surprises me to see the amount of money and mods going into the LSA GTS cars only to match what the Coyote can do tune only.

If GM aren't overstating the power then they must have some serious losses going on to have 120kw less at the rear wheels.

Benny.

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Originally Posted by 40RDT

A tune only GT is just as fast as a GTS with numerous mods

701let · 04-06-2015, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LoudPipes

I think you misunderstood 40RDT’s post.

He's asking a question of GTBenny’s post.

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Originally Posted by 40RDT

A tune only GT is just as fast as a GTS with numerous mods

Oops my bad!

In that case, GTBenny, the same question applies?

40RDT · 04-06-2015, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 701let

When you say numerous mods what do you mean? There's a performance shop that recorded high 10s out of one on street tyres with a pulley upgrade, extractors and hi flow cats, Cai, and a tune.

Pretty basic mods. What times are coming out of tune only GTs?

I highly doubt there is anything under 11 for a tune only GT

Are you talking about Active Automotives GTS in WA? I think it has run a mid 10 with those mods, on stock rubber too. Good number for such minimal mods

futura · 04-06-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 40RDT

I highly doubt there is anything under 11 for a tune only GT

Are you talking about Active Automotives GTS in WA? I think it has run a mid 10 with those mods, on stock rubber too. Good number for such minimal mods

Stock rubber running mid 10s? What type of stock rubber are we talking here again?

40RDT · 04-06-2015, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by futura

Stock rubber running mid 10s? What type of stock rubber are we talking here again?

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