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How hard would it be for a new upstart company to take over one of the factories, and start making export-grade luxury cars, that demand a premium.
The only surviving English car makers are prestige. If the business model was clever enough, there would only be a need for one lot of government funding, then it could be run as 50/50 public/private enterprise. Our parts makers are winning contracts with McLaren, Tesla etc, which proves we have the R&D capability to be a world player. Have a platform so versatile it can cover specialised mining equipment and commercial vehicles. It would take something pretty spectacular and daring to get a foothold in this cut throat market....but I reckon it could be done. |
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They will be, under a new name.
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The point could be an owner that doesn't make similar vehicles in it's home country, putting in plenty of cash and the manufacturer exports the majority of it's production.
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The thing that some are missing here is that Sweden with a population of 9 million (see original persons post about population size) still has 3 major vehicle manufactures. Volvo sold 420,000 vehicles in 2013. I mean - could have been the same.
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Edit: I think it only sold just over 52,000 in Sweden so it exports over 85% of production. Interestingly I think it built less than 18,000 S80's i.e. large/luxury sedan cars. Last edited by Dr Smith; 30-08-2014 at 12:06 AM. |
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You have to remember the govt opened up the the flood gates & there are now 50 odd
brands of car out there! All its done is make the piece of pie smaller for every manufacturer but most are selling around the world ours were'nt due to high wages ie: production costs! :( |
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As much as I would like to agree with this statement, I just can't see it happening.
Why build a 4 door large sedan that has the looks of the Taurus, Mondeo/Fusion and Mustang? It would barely be noticed... Ford US has sunk a lot of $$ into its reworked Taurus with FWD and AWD, lots of $$ from Ford EU into the Mondeo/Fusion (assuming they led the design, I know not) only to bring in another model that is basically the same size give or take a handful of cm's and give it RWD with the same underpinnings as Mustang? I was talking with a few from Mustang Forums in the States and they all shake their heads about the loss of the Falcon, but that the end of the day most said, "if they were going to buy a Falcon (if available there) they would NOT have bought the Mustang". Too many of too similar models from the same manufacturer would be like the old saying "taking from Peter to give to Paul". As has been said before, we will wake up in the near future and realise that our only option for buying a new RWD 4 door large sports sedan is made for the premium sector. Some will be able to buy, the rest of us will either have to drive what we don't WANT (which is as important to me as the other factors involved in buying a car) or be confined to the second hand market (nothing wrong there, it's where I will be from '16 on, no question). But the truth is, many of us who want the above will not be driving something with a new Ford badge. It's as simple as that.
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Yet it still manages to give give many higher cost marques a serious scare on the performance front with the turbo hanging on the side of grand pa`s axe, and the non turbo 6 doing a 14 point something over the quarter is still no slouch . |
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Volvo on its own exported 420,000 cars last year. It goes to show that having a proper export plan in place is fundamental for country & company.
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Ford Australia's own internal management flip-flopping and dithering on important decisions hasn't helped Falcon and Territory over time. The revolving door of CEO's and abandoning previously approved strategies isn't a great way to plan for the future.
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Out of curiosity would anyone buy a Falcon in 6 years time if it had all the latest tech of the day, was designed and engineered in Australia but built in the USA or Thailand or somewhere like that?
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I believe that one thing that buyers didn't like about the Falcon & Commodore is size. When most medium size cars can easily fit 5 people and their shopping, why would they look at a large car? Especially when most of the time there is only one person in it.
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as for exports to increase factory volume to make it viable, it was always a pipedream. we aren't big enough. the demand isn't there. the dollar is too strong and we are surrounded by water. this has all been covered numerous times. people just need to accept reality and be glad it lasted for as long as it did. as for the article, the author is clearly biased, or its an old piece. why no mention of holden also closing up shop?? |
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Volvo is a native Swedish company that happens to be owned by Geely nowadays . They produce for a world market - australian American owned subsidiaries produce for local australian market ,hence difference in volumes. One needs a product developed for a world market ( focus, mondeo etc) to export. |
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big cars = big fuel bills. I don't care if your falcon does 1000kays on a tank on the highway with a tail wind, EVERYDAY economy wins here. My company used to have all its reps on VE Commos. A fill was roughly $100-120 for roughly 500kays, Our Cruzes cost $60-$70 for 600kays.Now repeat week after week, month after month.
Coupled to the fact that to drive in and out of shopping centre carparks all day finding ever smaller spaces like we do as reps, Commos and Falcs are simply too big for only carrying 1 person around all day. The market has spoken with their wallets.
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The Falcon was and is a great car, all the more so considering their limited budget.
The simple problem is that this great car has been produced by a pimple on the *** of a lumbering international giant. At a time when cars were the domain of prosperous westerners, Australia was an important market and the pimple was allowed to go its own way. But it was always going to be dragged along by the giant. Now days, the Australian market is insignificant.
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Couple things...not even really specific to Ford and the Falcon really...
If you just lazily sit back and don't advertise your product, don't whinge when people don't buy it. If you don't read the market and see which way the wind is blowing and you don't respond accordingly, then don't complain when sales drop sharply. Don't get lazy and believe that people will use the old logic of "dad had one and his dad had one so I'll have to buy one"...doesn't work like that now with increasingly-informed customers who realise that they don't have to purchase one particular make of car and can actually shop around a wide variety of choices. |
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All this rubbish with people trying to go to a smaller car is just trendy rubbish. If you need X you buy X end of story. I buy V8's why ? because at the end of the day it's just like if you are looking for a base model or for something better. Look V8's cut it and the others don't it's a fact, maybe the falcon turbo 6 is good but it's just a turbo and I not keen on turbo street cars all to much, when I was younger yes I would like it better due to the fang factor and that's mainly it. I like a car that I like and enjoy and that plodding around or giving it a prod and I hate driving a car that the passenger is in your space bumping into you. Have you ever sat in the back of a fairlane opposed to a falcon on long trips where would you rather be ? fairlane every time ! and no one fights over riding shot gun. true story ![]() |
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Plus passenger cars in many parts of asia and Europe are heavily taxed based on physical dimensions and engine capacity, in order for it to have any legs is downsize to Mondeo dimensions, change the FWD to share the Mondeo platform, then you have, well, the Mondeo.
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The market is mostly moving away from large sedans anyway...their place is being taken by twin cab utes and mid-sized to smaller SUV's which package their interior space amazingly well. You no longer need a physically large car to have plenty of room inside. The market has changed...and Ford (and to a lesser extent Holden) sadly just didn't seem to see it coming... ![]() |
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Long live the Turbo 6, IMO the best thing to happen to Ford Oz. Makes me wonder what may have been if the falcon was going to still be around for many years to come what might have happened to the I6T and the potential that may have been unleashed with things like direct injection etc.
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Its just another case of people not knowing just how great something was, until its too late and its allready gone
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I blame tight arsed uneduacted car buyers aussie sheep.
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