'Drive' Interviews Ricky Muir. - Page 2

noflac52 · 30-08-2014, 02:13 PM

You whinging detractors suffering from tall poppy syndrome are a really sad and sorry lot.

It seems the internet has given you an even better opportunity to anonymously bring people down for no good reason.

The bloke has 6, I repeat 6 years to make some headway on a very contentious subject in Australia and I for one am glad that he is being patient and learning all he can before possibly making knee jerk reactions which will be to everyone's detriment.

To those who are jealous about his salary. I say " GET OVER IT "

mik · 30-08-2014, 06:18 PM

I hate to be cynical, but even if he was/is the real deal, i don't believe he could make one iota of a difference, the political system is flawed, full of agendas and often influenced by the fat cats pulling strings from behind, people change but the system stays the same. . ........

BENT_8 · 30-08-2014, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

I hate to be cynical, but even if he was/is the real deal, i don't believe he could make one iota of a difference, the political system is flawed, full of agendas and often influenced by the fat cats pulling strings from behind, people change but the system stays the same. . ........

No one expects him to be Prime Minister, but a little unscripted knowledge of the reason for the Party in the first place isn't too much to ask.

If he gats a new drag strip for his VN and doesn't get a speeding fine or his car impounded on the way there, he'd have to be content, surely.

Maka · 30-08-2014, 08:28 PM

All i ask of Ricky is to be "visible" on his bread & butter issues when the lnp incumbents announce a motoring policy initiative or actual legislation, i'm sure Lyndal Curtis would love to ask Ricky some questions about AMEP & their motoring policies!

cheers, Maka

ratter · 30-08-2014, 08:49 PM

wow, so some average bloke steps up to represent a party and a big surprise finds himself in the senate.
He was just an average bloke, not a trained politician just changing parties.
I'm sure most of us here would get a little nervous if we had to publicly speak in front of a large audience or tv cameras, give the guy a chance.
I have heard that he has had some public speaking training, maybe he will become better now and get more comfortable in front of a camera and be able to actually appear to make sense or know what he is talking about.
Who cares if he doesn't know every motoring fact, most enthusiast don't!

BHDOGS · 30-08-2014, 09:47 PM

This shows the level dissatisfaction in politics when this blatant idiot can **** his way into parliament not bother to learn **** in a couple of months and people still are satisfied with him and tell people to get his job and are jealous i mean seriously the fact we are prepared to let this bull**** happen shows we may aswell shut up shop in this country and go to a dictatorship at least we would have one idiot running the country then a collection of them

LoudPipes · 30-08-2014, 09:58 PM

If you are not happy with the current electoral system and the type of candidates that are elected because of it then start a protest for change.
It’s not Muir’s fault he made into the Senate, in his own admission he didn’t expect to succeed.
The other alternative was an extreme Christian candidate and in my option at the expense of offending the forum’s extreme Christian members, I’d much rather a poor performing Ricky Muir over an extreme Christian telling me how to live my life.
As far as aligning with PUP, well he can’t go it alone and he doesn’t have many options.
It’s either PUP or the main parties (shutter).

The two things that I do find a worry about Muir are:

He shows little knowledge of his core subject, that being motoring issues.
I don’t expect him to be articulated like a seasoned polly or a university academic, in fact a down to earth delivery would probably work more in his favour.
What concerns me is that he hasn’t from the start been able to talk of the issues he entered politics to champion.
A wait and see attitude in my opinion is just a ruse to hide the fact he has nothing to add.
Everyone who is passionate about something can talk for hours on the subject whether they make sense or not, his silence leaves me to think nothing will ever eventuate from him in the way of meaningful motoring policy.

The second comes from overhearing some people discussing politics at the club a couple of weeks back.
Palmer, Lambe and Muir’s names were being discussed in very unflattering terms and to be fair so were most other politicians.
The comment that stuck in my head about Muir was “what do you expect from a car nut, they don’t have much happening up top anyway”.
If that’s the way the broader community sees motoring enthusiasts then it is most important to have a representative that goes against that perception.
Someone who’ll come across as a strong, intelligent, insightful and level headed figurehead.
Therefore my second concern is Ricky Muir could end up doing more harm than good to the enthusiast community by simply dragging the perception of car enthusiasts as a whole down to his level.

ratter · 31-08-2014, 12:23 AM

I have it from a very good source that muir has some very factual advice to the current state of the aftermarket industry, this will come out in time, he will have a lot more of an idea of what is going on, more than most people will know about, hopefully he responds the correct way and it is received,

noflac52 · 31-08-2014, 04:38 PM

Ricky Muir handled the drive interview well. He used measured responses that articulated where he is at after his short term in office. Given the recent job Willesee did on him he had every right to be a little measured with his answers.

What would you have preferred? A lot of lies to try a pretence at a cover up. We've all heard that before, usually from mainstream parties.

He has already learnt a lot. He has already learnt that a media skewed to mainstream ideas will try to ruin any chance of him making any difference during his term in office. Anyone who thinks that the government alone runs this country need their heads read. The mainstream media has the power, and uses it very regularly to ruin the chances of anyone who doesn't fit their idea of right.

Ricky Muir going it alone "impossible".

As to Ricky being inarticulate when it comes to public speaking it reminds me of Pauline Hanson and her debut in politics. Her understanding of anything political and her prowess as a public speaker was absolutely woeful to the point where she was branded the Oxley Moron but if you hear her now she is a very effective public speaker. The point is that it takes time to come up to speed when you are thrown in at the deep end and with media scrutiny what it is today it is the wise one who does it carefully!

And to those who bring up his salary and say "I'm not jealous but". Well that speaks for itself!

By the way I am a mainstream died in the wool car enthusiast and have been for a lot of years and I wouldn't have given any more correct answers than Ricky Muir did in the quiz.

There seems to be a lot of forum members who are unable to differentiate between the serious part of the interview and the fun quiz at the end.

Cashie · 01-09-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by noflac52

Ricky Muir handled the drive interview well. He used measured responses that articulated where he is at after his short term in office. Given the recent job Willesee did on him he had every right to be a little measured with his answers.

What would you have preferred? A lot of lies to try a pretence at a cover up. We've all heard that before, usually from mainstream parties.

He has already learnt a lot. He has already learnt that a media skewed to mainstream ideas will try to ruin any chance of him making any difference during his term in office. Anyone who thinks that the government alone runs this country need their heads read. The mainstream media has the power, and uses it very regularly to ruin the chances of anyone who doesn't fit their idea of right.

Ricky Muir going it alone "impossible".

As to Ricky being inarticulate when it comes to public speaking it reminds me of Pauline Hanson and her debut in politics. Her understanding of anything political and her prowess as a public speaker was absolutely woeful to the point where she was branded the Oxley Moron but if you hear her now she is a very effective public speaker. The point is that it takes time to come up to speed when you are thrown in at the deep end and with media scrutiny what it is today it is the wise one who does it carefully!

And to those who bring up his salary and say "I'm not jealous but". Well that speaks for itself!

By the way I am a mainstream died in the wool car enthusiast and have been for a lot of years and I wouldn't have given any more correct answers than Ricky Muir did in the quiz.

There seems to be a lot of forum members who are unable to differentiate between the serious part of the interview and the fun quiz at the end.

I'd say he was sent the list of questions and then used his advisers (if any are left) to slow time answer them with the political spin.
I want to see him in a live interview before I conclude he is fit for the job.

ratter · 31-08-2014, 10:03 PM

what a load of crap!

Franco Cozzo · 01-09-2014, 04:56 PM

I find it funny how we have an average joe manage to find himself in with the big boys where he had more chance of being struck by lightning, and everyone here is trying to put him down.

Would you rather the slick mainstream media backed professional politician who is slippery as an oil slick on an iceberg representing your "enthusiast" group instead? Or someone like us representing the group who is a normal person not someone who worked in law, then went into politics, leader of a union or in some cases people who went to uni and then right into politics like one particular person in Canberra.

Plenty of criticism but not many people put their hands up to do the job, just lots of people saying how he is doing it wrong.

The people here flinging mud, are you even members of AMEP?

Remember Ricky Muir is going to be voting on issues that the majority of the time will have NOTHING to do with "motoring" but will effect all of us average people.

I'd like to see how the people flinging mud here would stand up to the experienced journalists who tore Ricky Muir apart publically. You might be able to answer the motoring quiz at the end but they'll get you on something else and make you look like a douche.

BENT_8 · 01-09-2014, 05:20 PM

None of that matters, he's an Enthusiast who lives in Australia, representing Australian Motoring Enthusiasts and cant tell us Holden make the VF Commodore or that Frosty won Bathurst.

That's like having a Plumber who cant use a plunger or a carpenter that cant measure a piece of timber.

C'mon, no ones expecting him to have a grasp of main stream politics, but if asked basic questions that 99% of car dudes would know, I'd expect him to have something.

If you stood in the middle of the MCG on GF day infront of 90k people with a microphone in your hand and a camera in your face and asked you what model Commodore they make or who won Bathurst could YOU answer me?

Franco Cozzo · 01-09-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

None of that matters, he's an Enthusiast who lives in Australia, representing Australian Motoring Enthusiasts and cant tell us Holden make the VF Commodore or that Frosty won Bathurst.

That's like having a Plumber who cant use a plunger or a carpenter that cant measure a piece of timber.

C'mon, no ones expecting him to have a grasp of main stream politics, but if asked basic questions that 99% of car dudes would know, I'd expect him to have something.

If you stood in the middle of the MCG on GF day infront of 90k people with a microphone in your hand and a camera in your face and asked you what model Commodore they make or who won Bathurst could YOU answer me?

I could tell you about the Commodore, because I follow modern cars.

I couldn't tell you about Bathurst because I don't follow motorsport as I find it and all other sports boring so I don't follow them.

Who cares, Australia and his job don't revolve around Bathurst or what model car is rolling out of Holden's factory at the time.

BENT_8 · 01-09-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

I could tell you about the Commodore, because I follow modern cars.

I couldn't tell you about Bathurst because I don't follow motorsport as I find it and all other sports boring so I don't follow them.

Who cares, Australia and his job don't revolve around Bathurst or what model car is rolling out of Holden's factory at the time.

No, it doesn't, but if you cant answer a few questions that relate to your area of interest, how can you be expected to make comment and vote on everyday issues.
You cant just go through a term in office saying nothing because a journo made you look bad once.
If his antics are representative of Enthusiasts, then he is doing more harm than good im afraid.

**GasoLane** · 01-09-2014, 05:58 PM

RE: Ricky Muir and the quiz questions..... I wonder how many of our current Transport Ministers (State and Federal) would have known the correct answers.

**Dave R** · 01-09-2014, 05:56 PM

That this guy is the motoring enthusiast senator and doesn't know the current model of car we make in Australia- at a time when the industry is collapsing- is disgusting. It just tells me he hasn't taken the time to get up to speed on the industry he's meant to specialise in- and given that he's had since 2013 to think about this stuff, it's really disappointing. Let's face it, if he took even the slightest interest in the local industry he'd know what a VF Commodore is. You'd think someone staring at $200k per annum to supposedly represent motoring enthusiasts might hop onto Google for a few hours.

Plenty of people predicted last year that he'd just cruise through his term and his lack of basic knowledge combined with the fact that he said he's in no rush to do anything because he's got the job for six years tells me that those people might be on to something. My main concern is that this guy makes car enthusiasts look even worse than they currently do, as if the poo fights, racist memes on his Facebook page and constant turmoil within AMEP haven't already set the tone.

LoudPipes · 01-09-2014, 05:59 PM

No-one could honestly believe Ricky Muir should be a polished statesmen but he has accepted a role under a banner that represents the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts.
This is his own choice and as politics is not for the faint hearted he must stand up and accept the good with the bad.

Muir while in the Senate is now a reflection of all motoring enthusiasts in the eyes of the broader community. A community that often can’t distinguish true enthusiasts from hoons and burn-out bogans.

You’d want to hope he gives a positive representation in that role to strengthen the true enthusiast’s entitlement for a fair go and not have them continuously labelled with the small bad element that exists in the car scene and therefore punished because of them.

Like it or not, his success or failure in pulling this off will have repercussions for the reputation of motoring enthusiasts for many years to come.

Here’s hoping he does well, so far he’s been seen as a bit of a joke (along with his PUP companions) in the eyes of the general public and that doesn’t reflect well on car enthusiasts.

**Giant Cranium** · 01-09-2014, 06:08 PM

why can't we criticise? if a sparky does a rubbish job on my house i let him know even though i couldn't do that job.

same if i do a bad job hanging a door i can expect to hear it from a school teacher who wouldn't know where to start.

its the same principle with him. i also don't think that its too hard to ask that he knows the current commodore is a vf.

noflac52 · 01-09-2014, 07:23 PM

Todays offering of mediocrity from the Ricky knockers basically want him to be an expert at motoring trivia lol!

One bloke compares his house wired by an electrician to be a good comparision to Ricky!

How about we put it into correct perspective for him. Ricky has been there for a few months. The question is would you have your house wired by an electrical apprentice with a few months experience and expect a great result?

That is a more balanced comparison!

Other knockers get childish and ask if people who are willing to give him a fair go are his relatives etc.

You think Ricky sounds like a moron? You lot should take a hard look at what you are posting when you dish out that crap. If you want to make yourself look stupid you are doing a fair job of it.

That stuff is usually resorted to by children when they can't think of something worthwhile to say.

Another post refers to Ricky going through his term of office and not saying anything. To this post I say it hasn't happened yet. His term of office that is!

Criticizing some thing that is yet to happen is weird! There is nothing to criticize. Unless you have a crystal ball and can see the future.

Oh! and if you do have one would you be good enough to put next weeks winning lotto numbers up for us so that we can all buy tickets. lol!

**Dave R** · 01-09-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by noflac52

Todays offering of mediocrity from the Ricky knockers basically want him to be an expert at motoring trivia lol!

I'm sure you thought that sounded clever. But I wouldn't call basic local automotive industry knowledge "trivia", certainly not for the motoring enthusiast party senator. If you consider knowing the name of the current Commodore produced in South Australia as an expert achievement in what you downplay as trivia, I'd say you're easily impressed. At a time when thousands of Australians are facing unemployment as the result of this industry collapsing, I think Ricky should get in the mix and learn as much as he can- and do as much as he can. Learning the name of the car they build would arguably be the first step and I really hope he proves us all wrong.

I also wouldn't blanket attack members' posting styles as "mediocrity" because they don't agree with you. I respect Damo, the uncle Ricky reference was clearly there to demonstrate that while we may disagree, it's not that serious. So I'd appreciate it if you stopped referring to members as mediocre, knockers, stupid, children etc.

I also think that this thread is beginning to cross into shaky territory in regards to politics, which is banned from discussion in the site terms and conditions.

noflac52 · 02-09-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I'm sure you thought that sounded clever. But I wouldn't call basic local automotive industry knowledge "trivia", certainly not for the motoring enthusiast party senator. If you consider knowing the name of the current Commodore produced in South Australia as an expert achievement in what you downplay as trivia, I'd say you're easily impressed. At a time when thousands of Australians are facing unemployment as the result of this industry collapsing, I think Ricky should get in the mix and learn as much as he can- and do as much as he can. Learning the name of the car they build would arguably be the first step and I really hope he proves us all wrong.

I also wouldn't blanket attack members' posting styles as "mediocrity" because they don't agree with you. I respect Damo, the uncle Ricky reference was clearly there to demonstrate that while we may disagree, it's not that serious. So I'd appreciate it if you stopped referring to members as mediocre, knockers, stupid, children etc.

I also think that this thread is beginning to cross into shaky territory in regards to politics, which is banned from discussion in the site terms and conditions.

No I didn't think it sounded clever. I thought it sounded true! The reason I laugh at the seriousness with which you take the quiz is that it was a bit of fun and I suggest that if you quizzed Ricky Muir about 4 wheel driving he would very likely get 10 out of 10. It has very little bearing on his future performance!

In regard to him having in depth knowledge about the motor vehicle manufacturing industry that is collapsing its not needed. The horse bolted long before he even nominated for election.

His election platform if you care to pay attention was for the motoring enthusiast not the manufacturing industry. His mandate is to get a better deal in regards to, draconian legislation against motorists, uniform laws nationally for the motoring enthusiast, better import deals for cars and parts, more equitable laws regarding the use of country areas for 4 wheel driving and numerous other items that give the enthusiast a fair go and a voice.

You can say I'm easily impressed if you like. Its an open forum but making assumptions like that with no knowledge would very likely mean that it is wildly inaccurate.

As for me blanket attacking members posting styles . I did not do that. I itemised what I thought was mediocre content from some posters who have every opportunity to respond as you have done. If you look you will see that I referred to the content of posts that way. I did label the detractors as knockers but you labelled me as easily impressed. No difference there!

If you supply a name that I can use to describe the anti Ricky brigade I'll use that in future so as not to upset your sensibilities or offend you.

If you don't want it to be personal stop making personal references.

I consider it ironic that you can label me easily impressed and say many derogatory things about a federal senator who is not here to defend himself yet you take exception to myself expressing my opinion about the subject. Gee! Is it because I disagree with you??? and you don't like it.

So you want the thread closed now because it has references to politics and its banned from the forum now that you have said your piece?

Your assertion is wrong. Its at the discretion of the moderators, and they have said previously in another thread about Senator Ricky Muir that it has merit and is allowed because it is the motoring enthusiast senator that is the point of discussion.

Now can we get back to discussing the subject and stop discussing me!!!!!

**Dave R** · 02-09-2014, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by noflac52

No I didn't think it sounded clever.

Good, because it wasn't. Regarding the rant you just posted, I'm not going to have a back and forth with you about whether Ricky should know basic industry knowledge or about which childish name you think is appropriate to label members who are critical of Ricky. Appreciate that some people (the majority it seems, in this instance) will be critical of this senator and have a different opinion to you. The name calling isn't needed and I'm glad you've agreed to stop.

noflac52 · 02-09-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Good, because it wasn't. Regarding the rant you just posted, I'm not going to have a back and forth with you about whether Ricky should know basic industry knowledge or about which childish name you think is appropriate to label members who are critical of Ricky. Appreciate that some people (the majority it seems, in this instance) will be critical of this senator and have a different opinion to you. The name calling isn't needed and I'm glad you've agreed to stop.

It didn't need to be clever because it was true.

I haven't agreed to stop challenging the voracity of posts in the thread. I will continue to do so if needed.

I didn't label any posters anything except Ricky knockers. All the other references I made are about the content of the posts and their value to the discussion.

You have labelled me easily impressed because you think I support him (and now you try to give the impression that I am ranting because I have challenged your assertions lol!) yet at the same time I am being told to "appreciate" that others have a different point of view.

What point are you trying to make when you state that the majority of posters disagrees with me. If we all agreed there would be no discussion!!!

You haven't yet given me a name that you consider to be ok to use so I think I will just have to keep using my own terminology. Sigh!

You are doing your best to keep this personal aren't you? You may yet get the thread locked. It doesn't matter though because Ricky Muir will be with us for six years and as time goes by there will be a lot more facts to discuss rather than the large body of assumptions the Ricky knockers are making at the moment about him.

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Just refer to us as 'Those Who are Right'.

Saves people from reading through the whole thread.

jk...

Now you are really dragging the bottom of the barrel. You can do better than that. lol!

BENT_8 · 02-09-2014, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by noflac52

If you supply a name that I can use to describe the anti Ricky brigade I'll use that in future so as not to upset your sensibilities or offend you.

!!

Just refer to us as 'Those Who are Right'.

Saves people from reading through the whole thread.

jk...

Maka · 01-09-2014, 08:01 PM

[QUOTE=noflac52;5201970]Another post refers to Ricky going through his term of office and not saying anything. To this post I say it hasn't happened yet. His term of office that is![QUOTE]

I'm not sure about that, his own page says he started on 1/7/14

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_M...an?MPID=250024

cheers, Maka

ratter · 01-09-2014, 08:43 PM

Ricky Muir is a farce, I rang him up today and asked him how much oil and what grade I needed to put in my Super Pursuit, he had no idea, what the hell is he doing representing us real enthusiasts.

BENT_8 · 01-09-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

Ricky Muir is a farce, I rang him up today and asked him how much oil and what grade I needed to put in my Super Pursuit, he had no idea, what the hell is he doing representing us real enthusiasts.

Funny that...

I rang Nick Xenophon today and asked him what sort of return I should get from 5 octopus' on a Dolphin Treasure.
He wasn't sure, which I thought ordinary, but did go into depth on social issues surrounding their excessive use...

**GasoLane** · 02-09-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap

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Ricky explaining his theory of reverse rotational by-pass filtration using solid Teflon/paraffin wax coated in banana pulp and slippery elm.

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Ricky deep deep deep in thought, can you feel the channeling?

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Ricky is simply awesome!

If we could continue this thread without juvenile humour it would be appreciated.

Trevor 57 · 01-09-2014, 09:00 PM

LOL @ ratter

well done