Fuel consumption of hybrids.... - Page 2

jpd80 · 06-06-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And thats why the Volt should be a failure for GM. They have pinned their hopes on it and spent squllions to develop it but it will be massively overpriced, it will be a hell of a lot more expensive than a Prius.

In America, Ford's Ecoboost engines and GM's equivalent in the Cruze will win the day over hybrids,
making petrol engines as efficient as possible reaches far more vehicles and their buyers.

StrokedXT · 06-06-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Hybrids, scam of the century......

If you save 6l/100km and petrol is $2/l that means you will save $12,000 per 100,000km.
At $1.50 /l it is only $9,000 per 100,000km

Camry Hybrid $48,000
Camry Petrol $35,000

So:

By the time you even get close to breaking even on fuel costs your car is 4 or 5 (at least) years old and your batteries are stuffed (and aren't they cheap). Resale is irrelevant as your are in the "Honest John's Discount Cars" territory.

Hybrids are an emotional purchase just like V8s. There is no logical reason why you would buy one, you just WANT one because they make you feel good.

By your figures id break even in 18 months and i think alot of others would be in a similar boat, so while not for everyone they can make sense for a lot of people.

naddis01 · 07-06-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Figures haven't been good for the Camry Hybrid .... take into account how expensive it is in development but who knows .... time will tell and may all depend on the price of petrol down the track.

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VFACTS figures show that Toyota racked up 742 Camry Hybrid sales during its first month on the market (February), which includes fleet and government sales and the company’s own registrations.

That is about the figure the company needs to achieve its goal of 10,000 sales a year of the Camry Hybrid – 40 per cent of which Toyota said should be from private customers – but since then sales dropped off to 548 in March and, worryingly for the company, 396 in April.

Of these, the percentage of private sales is difficult to ascertain. But consider that total private hybrid passenger car sales across all models and brands on the market – including the Honda Civic Hybrid, Lexus’ LS and GS hybrid models, and Toyota’s own Prius – were just 66 in February, 161 in March (marking a Camry spike) and then down to 112 in April.

With figures like these, there is simply no escaping the lack of private customer interest in hybrid cars.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25772500833920

I don't know why Go Auto think it is hard to ascertain how many Camry Hybrid sales are private sales...

These are the Year-To-Date figures....

Toyota Camry - 6,825

Private - 1,969
Business (small fleet) - 794
Business (large fleet) - 722
Rental - 664
Government - 1,424
Not For Profit Organisation - 868
Other - 384

Toyota Camry Hybrid - 2,273 (From Feb launch date onwards)

Private - 400
Business (small fleet) - 485
Business (large fleet) - 209
Rental - 239
Government - 619
Not For Profit Organisation - 105
Other - 216

It looks as though the hybrid sold 587 in May to go with the 742, 548 and 396 in the previous months.

Obviously private buyers aren't too fussed on it as on percentage terms the petrol sells more than the hybrid and it is well below the 40% Toyota were hoping for.

naddis01 · 08-06-2010, 12:17 AM

Oops double post

dave289 · 09-06-2010, 11:54 AM

I watched top gear last night. They had a toyota prius and a bmw m3. The idea was for the toyota to drive around the track as fast as he could and for the m3 to just keep up with him ,following by about 3-5 metres. They then measured fuel consumption. The toyota returned 17 miles per gallon and the m3 was 19 miles per gallon. Considering the m3 is a v8 I thought that was not bad at all .

vztrt · 22-06-2010, 07:48 PM

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...0622-yv1l.html

^^ Other cars in the link as well.

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Hybrid Prius a costly exercise
BARRY PARK
June 22, 2010 - 4:56PM

Toyota's petrol-electric Prius may be gentle on the environment but it will hit your hip pocket hard, according to the latest cost of ownership study.

Toyota's Prius petrol-electric hybrid hatchback is one of the most expensive small cars to own, the latest RACV cost of ownership study shows.

The study's figures, released today, show the Prius will cost more than $222 a week to own once factors such as purchase price, servicing costs, fuel, tyres, insurance, resales and even the cost of renewing a driver's licence over a five-year period are taken into account.

The Prius is one of Australia's most economical cars, with an official consumption of only 3.9 litres of fuel for every 100 kilometres it travels, but the Toyota's relatively high purchase price contributes to cancelling out savings made at the servo.

The cheapest car for the fourth year running is Hyundai's small Getz hatchback, which sells from $13,990 and is due to be discontinued by the end of the year. While it will cost owners a mere $118 a week to own, it's almost $4 a week more expensive to run than last year.

At the opposite end of the scale, Toyota's diesel-engined LandCruiser off-roader ranks as the most expensive vehicle to park in the driveway, costing their owners about $386 a week - a rise of about $20 a week.

Overall, the RACV survey shows the cost of owning a car has risen by an average of 4.5 per cent this year after posting a 7 per cent fall in 2009.

As for the hybrid vehicles? According to the RACV you're better off buying a much smaller Ford Fiesta Econetic, which has a frugal engine that officially uses only 3.7 litres of diesel fuel for every 100 kilometres and costing owners only $148 a week to own. Although it's the most expensive small car to own, running costs of just 10.23 cents for every kilometre it travels ease the financial pain of ownership.

Even the locally made petrol-electric Hybrid Camry is cheaper to own than the Prius, costing an average of $220 a week to sit in the driveway, although it still cost $15 more than a regular, petrol-engined Camry.

Of the other locally made cars, the RACV figures show you're best to sink your money into a Holden Commodore that can run on either petrol or LPG.

The dual-fuel sedan costs about $228 a week compared with $231 a week for the petrol-only version, and $239 a week for the LPG-only Ford Falcon sedan.

RACV general manager of public policy Brian Negus said depreciation - the decrease in the value of a car as it ages - remained the biggest cost of vehicle ownership.

''In this survey, depreciation accounts for an average 37 per cent on any given vehicle,'' Mr Negus said. ''While car buyers are not having to pay 37 cents in every dollar of their weekly car bills now, in five years time when they are looking to trade their car that's when the depreciation costs kick in significantly,'' he said.

Other surprises in the survey were the $8000 in maintenance costs for BMW servicing, and the high costs of owning a Yaris small hatchback or RAV4 soft-roader, even though Toyota offers a fixed-price service.

Diesel-car ownership, traditionally more expensive than for petrol vehicles, closed the gap slightly, with the turbo-diesel Hyundai i30 hatchback costing just $159 a week, a $5 premium over the petrol-engined version and closing the gap by about 50 cents on last year.

roadrage77 · 08-09-2010, 01:08 PM

You can't put a price on feeling smug.

mik · 08-09-2010, 02:03 PM

i reckon a lot of the time people are a bit baffled with marketing figures and believe the hype .