2010 Taurus SHO - Page 2

SteveJH · 31-07-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

If the old 4.6 would fit in a FWD, theres no reason why a Coyote wont...

Depends on the car itself though. Different car = Different sized engine bay.

Besides, i'm not sure N/A Coyote would be all that much faster then the SHO anyway.

MexicanBatman · 01-08-2010, 12:11 AM

Who would want a V8 hanging infront of the front axle...

Ant see it being any better than my awd magna, atleast the driveline was made up of evo parts bar the donk

Franco Cozzo · 01-08-2010, 12:23 AM

Cadillac Seville is a FWD 4.6L V8, its been done.

I quite like the look of this new Taurus, its a hell of a lot better than that 90s one, the 90s one, looks like you could drive it from both ends.

Falc'man · 01-08-2010, 12:41 AM

For the question of having a V8 in a FWD vehicle, there's no way it will ever happen again. Ford are moving away from the bent 8 for the use of Ecoboost, they will not revert to it.

The V8 will exist in niche RWD models, like the Mustang, and performance Falcons and, when the time comes, Lincoln.

Don't quote me on this, but the Taurus may end up on a smaller platform (Mondeo), so the likelihood of a) Falcon becoming a FWD Taurus, and b) Taurus getting a V8, are as good as a politician telling the truth.

FPV GTHO · 01-08-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Cadillac Seville is a FWD 4.6L V8, its been done.

I quite like the look of this new Taurus, its a hell of a lot better than that 90s one, the 90s one, looks like you could drive it from both ends.

Impala SS had a 5.3L V8 as well

Wretched · 01-08-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewg6e

Who would want a V8 hanging infront of the front axle...

Audi?

MexicanBatman · 01-08-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

Audi?

good point

but aren't they north south? so still the weight would be set back further...

jpd80 · 01-08-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewg6e

good point

but aren't they north south? so still the weight would be set back further...

Audi is a little better but the front axle is aligned at the bell housing
so all of the engine's weight still hangs over the front of the car.

jpd80 · 01-08-2010, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Don't quote me on this, but the Taurus may end up on a smaller platform (Mondeo), so the likelihood of a) Falcon becoming a FWD Taurus, and b) Taurus getting a V8, are as good as a politician telling the truth.

Ford have recently hinted that Taurus will become wider, I think commonality with Explorer width will flow back to 2102 Taurus. One area that the D3s need to become more like Falcon/Territory is by using a unique floor pan for the Taurus that gives a lower hip point, that will make a huge difference to the Taurus, especially weight wise.

I see Taurus becoming the new big full sized car, sharing power train and electricals with CD4 Mondeo/Fusion which in turn becomes even closer in size to Falcon. Even the next Focus as a large small car will be bordering on a small mid sizer.

Falcon/Territory need to do their own thing, serve the FAPSA region and fit into those plans. The rest of this current product cycle is needed to allow Ford NA to continue evolving Fusion/Mondeo and Taurus/Explorer into true global platforms to suit all regions. In six years time, we all may be in a different fame of mind depending on what happens between then and now. Even though the diehards will want their RWD, I can see a lot of people being pleased by what they see coming in the new FWD Fords....

R-Design · 01-08-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

For the question of having a V8 in a FWD vehicle, there's no way it will ever happen again. Ford are moving away from the bent 8 for the use of Ecoboost, they will not revert to it.

I agree with this, that's why the acceptance of these new products will be pivotal to the design of the next Falcon. At the end of the day Ford can push any agenda they have, but they will always have to respond to market forces and consumer preferences. If EcoBoost fails as premium engine in the SHO/Explorer the next generation may be engineered with a V8 option. I have no doubt that this decision would supported our local operations to maintain FPVs operations.

Franco Cozzo · 01-08-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Impala SS had a 5.3L V8 as well

Check out the Oldsmobile Tornado, 7.5L V8 FWD haha, 1966.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Toronado

Chilliman · 01-08-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

The V8 will exist in niche RWD models, like the Mustang, and performance Falcons and, when the time comes, Lincoln.

Don't quote me on this, but the Taurus may end up on a smaller platform (Mondeo), so the likelihood of a) Falcon becoming a FWD Taurus, and b) Taurus getting a V8, are as good as a politician telling the truth.

I agree with the first part of your quote with V8/RWDs like Mustang, Falcon and possibly certain Lincolns becoming niche models but my crystal ball gazing is pointing me the other way on the large FWD/AWD (i.e. Taurus) - I think that the Taurus platform will grow even bigger to distance it from Mondeo/Fusion, though it itself may be based on a 'streched EUCD platform', to become a 'limo' sized car i.e a Fairlane/LTD replacement (also a replacement for the Towncar).

Road_Warrior · 01-08-2010, 11:52 AM

I'm pretty sure Ford want Mondeo/Fusion/Toreass merged onto one platform. Whether that means Mondeo and Fusion will get bigger or the Taurus will get smaller, who knows. Probably the former I would say.

Unless that has changed and the Mondeo/Fusion will stay as a C/D car and Taurus is to become the global large car platform. This will mean that the Falcon and the principles that underpin it (driving dynamics, RWD etc) will either cease to exist or form the basis for a new Lincoln product assault on foreign markets (like China).

Both scenarios are highly plausible, but I suspect Dearborn has far too much invested here now with product development and RWD expertise to can the lot and turn its back on RWD passenger cars.

SteveJH · 01-08-2010, 12:36 PM

I thought it was...

Car's
Small: Fiesta
Medium: Focus
Larger Medium: Fusion, Mondeo
Large: Falcon, Taurus
Pony: Mustang

Utes:
Sports/Car based: Falcon
Small: Ranger
Medium: F-150
Large: F-250
Insane: F-350

From memory Mondeo is the largest ford available in europe?

Romulus · 01-08-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

We can wish for this, or wish for that, and hope for this and hope for that.

In the end, Falcon (as we know it) will still be made locally, designed by the locals, for a global market (for Lincoln).

I doubt it, the Falcon doesn't fit in with the "One Ford" mantra. We'll probably see something post 2015-16 that's part of a global RWD platform. Take a look at what Ford is proposing to do with the T6 Ranger and a SUV derivative. The SUV will more than likely replace the Territory.

It will only be a matter of time Holden heads down the same path with the Commodore and replaced Commodore with a global RWD platform from GM.

SteveJH · 01-08-2010, 06:36 PM

I thought VE's platform was theoretically supposed to be GM's Global RWD platform.....

coupe060 · 01-08-2010, 06:41 PM

i saw these two last week in the U.S, the red one looked unreal!!

Romulus · 01-08-2010, 07:27 PM

Looks fantastic. I'd buy one tomorrow if they were available here.

jpd80 · 01-08-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GT Falcon

I doubt it, the Falcon doesn't fit in with the "One Ford" mantra. We'll probably see something post 2015-16 that's part of a global RWD platform. Take a look at what Ford is proposing to do with the T6 Ranger and a SUV derivative. The SUV will more than likely replace the Territory.

It will only be a matter of time Holden heads down the same path with the Commodore and replaced Commodore with a global RWD platform from GM.

This thing about Ford Aust. not fitting in with the supposed guidelines of "One Ford" is absolute bunkum.
If Ford head office didn't support the continued sale of Falcon, it would be gone in a heartbeat.

In fact, the very opposite is happening with Derric Kuzak (product guru) making Ecoboost
possible in the Falcon and was also behind the scenes with the V6 diesel for the Territory.

Brazen · 01-08-2010, 07:55 PM

They look great, have a lot of character which is sorely missing from aussie Fords (and Holdens)

vztrt · 01-08-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BFZF8

Would you be willing to choose one over a RWD Falcon? There's no way Ford would sell both here. Also, there's about as much chance of a Coyote in a Taurus as I've got to become the next PM.

If the Taurus replaced the Falcon, I would go buy a Commodore (if it was still RWD).

**DJM83** · 01-08-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GT Falcon

Looks fantastic. I'd buy one tomorrow if they were available here.

I agree, the 'One Ford' kinetic styling really shows looking at the front of it too IMO

Falc'man · 01-08-2010, 09:33 PM

I, too, think it looks great, but I don't think that's "kinetic" - which is Ford of Europe's design language.

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Originally Posted by GT Falcon

I doubt it, the Falcon doesn't fit in with the "One Ford" mantra. We'll probably see something post 2015-16 that's part of a global RWD platform.

How will the Mustang fit into One Ford, when it's still getting it's own platform?
Sharing a platform (with Lincoln) doesn't mean they won't have different top-hats. For example the next Focus' platform will have nine(?) different top-hats, so you could apply the same argument to each and every one of those cars.

irlewy86 · 02-08-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

I thought VE's platform was theoretically supposed to be GM's Global RWD platform.....

Zeta is GM's global low cost platform. Caddy CTS sat on a higher value platform. GM will eventually replace low cost RWD with even lower cost FWD and the Caddy premium platform will carry Camero etc.

XCwillo · 02-08-2010, 09:36 AM

Not too sold on how it looks if it where to be sold in australia
But the interior is effing awesome and the features it has seem like they're years ahead of falcon.

fg_nitro · 02-08-2010, 09:39 AM

The amount of tech in these things is amazing. We cannot even get a decent premium sound system setup that is premium let alone other features.

The falcon is pretty basic compared to this. However I do love the style of the fg and I own one.

But technology wise If I were to choose between an AWD Taurus Turbo or an XR6 Turbo. I would go the Taurus.

**DJM83** · 02-08-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

I, too, think it looks great, but I don't think that's "kinetic" - which is Ford of Europe's design language.

My bad, but there is some similarities with the North American Fords, the grill on the Taurus is very similar to the F Series trucks

aussie muscle · 02-08-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

I thought it was...

Car's
Large: Falcon, Taurus

I don't think the Falcon is a large car by USA standards

Wretched · 02-08-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by XCwillo

Not too sold on how it looks if it where to be sold in australia
But the interior is effing awesome and the features it has seem like they're years ahead of falcon.

Gotta say I am not a fan of that interior (based on those shots).
The FG interior is far better laid out and looks more upmarket.
In saying that though, I do agree on us missing out on a lot of good tech.

RedHotGT · 02-08-2010, 11:16 AM

I'm tipping styling cues from the Taurus on the new Falcon for sure...

Though the one thing that I like from the interior is the T-bar on the shifter...
that is such a difference to what is in most cars today (joystick style, small tiny shifters)...
that thing reminds me of the T push-down on the TNT that Wiley Coyote uses (pardon the Coyote pun!!!)