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add the 'carbon tax' and the power producers cough up their fair share of the price. not that i agree with it
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Renewables cannot generate enough, and the government refuses to consider Nuclear, which means we will keep using coal. |
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Governments need a certain amount of revenue or tax income to function, if fossil fuels are not used then the tax has to come from another source. So, regardless of the energy source used you're gonna get taxed... And, if everyone's car gets more efficient, two things will happen: - the government will need to increase fuel excise to maintain revenue - oil companies will raise the price of fuel to maintain their revenue. Therefore the nett effect of any monetary savings on more fuel efficient vehicles is zero..... |
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As inefficient as the internal combustion engine is we wouldn't be an advanced society we are today without it. I think its stupid how cars get blamed for pollution purely because people can obviously see where the emissions leave the vehicle. One coal mine produces more harmful emissions then all the cars in Australia combined. How many coal mines are there in Australia? |
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this.. ^^
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Bloody hell, soon we will be driving one big CAT with wheels stuck on it...
I hate how we must always comply to anything Euro...It's discusting.
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![]() Will just turn to other areas to get revenue that is required, whether its a tax on chocolate bars, higher company taxes, more income tax, whatever, and yes we'll have all the money we'd of not spent on fuel taxes to contribute with. Last edited by sudszy; 12-06-2011 at 01:39 PM. |
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Another fact is that having an internal combustion engine ticking over is the most pollution causing activity that any of us can be involved in, about 23kg of CO2 per hour while on the highway. Quote:
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Ah but Sudszy what is going to power your computer when the mine shuts?...Come on be real.
Its like hippies protesting..then grabbing out their iphones so they can tweet how stupid they are being. Cant have it both ways. If its the city dwellers that are the issue then find a way to deal with it there, but its all to easy to blanket everyone with a tax and generate more revenue.
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Another thing to consider is that with more technologically advanced cars servicing and replacement part costs aswell as the time paid for by these computer wizard mechanics will also increase in future.
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Considering water weighs 1 kilo per litre im assuming fuel weighs around the same. How can burning roughly 8 kilos of fuel create 23kg of co2? |
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1 litre of hydrocarbon fuel(petrol)produces 2.2-2.4kg of CO2(slightly more if its diesel, less if its lpg) , its the oxygen it picks up from the atmosphere that creates the additional mass. Working on a consumption of 10L/100km, my 23 kg is right on the money. nb, oil floats on water, petrol is ~ 730grams/litre, water 1000grams/litre. Last edited by sudszy; 12-06-2011 at 02:25 PM. |
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Sounds like greenies/labor propaganda bs to me.
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I didn't even bother looking at the link you posted because being called timeforchange.org is surely going to be biased.
I still don't see how 1 kilo of fuel can create 2.2 to 2.4 kilos of co2. Surely its direct emission's of co2 before oxygen is added cant be more then the initial mass. If someone who has less of a pro government agenda then sudszy can explain it then im happy to be proven wrong. |
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![]() As I said before its a fairly simple concept, petrol is a hydrocarbon, its predominatly carbon, the hydrogen doesnt weigh much. When you combust it the oxygen in the air attaches to the carbon, two oxygen for every carbon, and combined with the fact that oxygen is 33% more massive than carbon the resulting molecule is a lot heavier than the fuel you burnt. Im assuming you didnt do high school chemistry, but for the real proof should you demand it: Here's the basic reaction for the combustion of petrol, no petrol isnt pure octane(c8h16), but for the purpose here, good enough: 2 C8H18 + 25 O2 --> 16 CO2 + 18 H2O in the balanced reaction, for every molecule of octane there is 8 co2 molecules produced. One molecule of octane is 114 mass units, one molecule co2 is 44 mass units. 8 x 44 = 352, mass co2/octane = 352/114 = 3.1 so .73kg of petrol(l litre) produces 2.3 kg of Co2? 2.3/.73 = 3.1, same ratio, who'd of thought. ![]() Last edited by sudszy; 12-06-2011 at 03:20 PM. |
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If you want to live/work in those areas then put up with it, thats what the city folk say to us about our issues. |
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Europe plays a part in developing that 'stuff' and so does "the rest of the world team" via WORKING PARTIES. The stuff that UNECE adopt from ECE (EU) regulations, is stuff that has passed International scrutiny at "UNECE" level,- to become international law. EU has very high standards, owing their regions high-speeds and the lessons learned from all that. EU in turn now works with the UN body instead, and adopts from that, for its region. These transport working parties at UN level have set, specific topical tasks. They work on something, amend it, and then reach consensus; where a new technical rule is made. Contracting STATES PARTIES then adopt same - for national consumption. ALL basic fundamental rules of the road - are UN in source;- have been since the days of the League of Nations circa 1922. That said, this aspect is something some younger public servants *everywhere* often 'forget', and so you get the situation where a country, OR even State or Territory of a country creates effectivally - a unique to the world road-rule, or road traffic sign. A few State/Territory mis-representations of the 'speed derestriction' sign (//) are an example of this. EU, the yanks, Russie, Japan, India - all the big nations AND no so big - are involved in creating uniform road rules and vehicle technical regulations. As you have seen on TV and in print of late - re emissions, is that national (or state et al) governments then take credit for something they have had very little conceptual design in, other than having their staff contract the latest - on an ongoing yearly basis! Told VIC once that if its staff wish to create 'something' for Victorians or Australia for that matter, - its best placed to do so by being involved in the UNECE process. That would miff Canberra a bit, though they and us (the states),- try and work together:-)
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LPG vehicles is being replaced/harmonized with the ECE version? I work in QA and notice that this is becoming a common practice these days... |
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Slowly - we are becoming_the_same. I'll seek further info next week to your specific Q, thinking along the lines of timeframe, AND IF anyone in AUS is helping UNECE WP develop those regs..
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ORDER FORD AUSTRALIA PART NO: AM6U7J19G329AA. This is a European-UN/AS3790B Spec safety-warning triangle used to give advanced warning to approaching traffic of a vehicle breakdown, or crash scene (to prevent secondary). Stow in the boot area. See your Ford dealer for this $35.95 safety item & when you buy a new Ford, please insist on it! See Page 83, part 4.4.1 http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/media...eSafePart4.pdf |
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Oh, but its a government website, and its got the word green in it.......but remember, this isnt actually info the government has created or tested, it is provided directly from the car manufacturer. |
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More demand equals higher electricity bills? Apparently not in my state...
Here in Queensland they've told us, hand on heart, that it's the consumers fault that electricity has risen so much...we listened to the government and cut back our use trying to be more efficient and green, and haven't been using enough power, so they have to raise prices... ![]() The government has actually told us (really) that next summer we should turn on our air conditioners more, to use more power, which will keep power prices lower. ![]() That sound is the noise several hundred thousand consumers heads exploding trying to get around the logic of that... ![]() There was a proud article in the paper the other day which said that more and more taxi ranks are going away from LPG powered cars to hybrids. In Rockhampton I see an awful lot of Pious's (not a misprint), and they're fine I suppose...until you actually try to fit a few big blokes in them...especially if one of them is a massive Kiwi... ![]() |
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Unlike some people i.e you, i know i don't know everything and am willing to question things if they don't seem right. Im also able to concede when im wrong something i have never seen you do on these forums |
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Not so gracious, having a go at me for going to the trouble of putting the information in front of you in 3 different forms. Quote:
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If Ford could get an exemption for the I6 for an extra 2 years, which I think was allowed last time for Euro 4, it would allow the I6 to stay in production until 2015.
Cause they would not want to spend more money on the I6 making it Euro5 campatible, even though it can be. Euro 6 would kill it, it will be the excuse Ford will use to switch to the global V6. |
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I remember the old 3.3 liter Holden Black Motor being killed off because the cost of re-engineering it for unleaded would have been massive, so they went for a Nissan motor in the VL.
Wonder what Ford will put in the Falcon (if it still exists) in place of the venerable I6? |
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The 3.7 litre Duratec V6 more than likely, would go ok if it was the hipo version from the Mustang. 227 kw I think.
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