NBN Pricing

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I currently do uni online (my uni is in WA, I'm in Qld)...my internet connection costs me $80 a month, and the speed is fine for what needs to be done - assignments are uploaded quickly, access to databases is easy...no problems at all...

I can see the benefit for far reaching communities - and the question 'why not have it?' is a valid one. I do, however, question the cost to implement such an initiative


(just like all other Gov funded 'initiatives'...I question, what's really in it for them?). What's the catch?

my opinion of whats in it for them is . i dont think this govt does anything unless it is on a world basis , i think they do to get inline with the rest of the world , in the case of the NBN or internet in general , i've always been of the opinion that australia needs to catch up to be on a level playing field with the world . i even think the EVIL TAX is along the same agenda . something to do with the near future of the world , as in TRADE / AND TECHNOLOGY . and that is just a guess .
it's only my opinion . and i dont want carbob tax mentioned in this thread , because i aint pushing it . i was just trying to explain the catch that the govt may be doing this for , by saying , i dont think they are doing it for the good of the country , but probably can see a dollar in it around the globe , or need the NBN technology so they can be on a level business relationship or other agendas with the rest of the world .
thats my take anyways . ( not to please the people) but other reasons that benifit them

[peterr]

We have little option but to sign up to something,the copper lines that carry our adsl and phone will be take out of serive once the cable is ready.The take up will be high,which the government will say see told you so look at all those who have taken it up,but that is only counting those who have the cable put into there homes at the time the cable is laid.Would much rather see the money going in to health, oh yes i recall someone saying no more buck passing we are from Queensland and we are here to help.

[mondo_broady]

there's more than enough info out there on the benefits if you bother to look somewhere other than the Murdoch Press or talkback radio for it. business and education will be the ones to benefit the most. wireless cannot sustain the speeds of a fibre network and copper just doesn't cut it. it's obviously more convenient to politicize it...

as for the topic, NBN pricing, for $10/month more than i pay now, i can get 10 times the speed i get now...

[snappy]

Originally Posted by mondo_broady

there's more than enough info out there on the benefits if you bother to look somewhere other than the Murdoch Press or talkback radio for it. business and education will be the ones to benefit the most. wireless cannot sustain the speeds of a fibre network and copper just doesn't cut it. it's obviously more convenient to politicize it...

as for the topic, NBN pricing, for $10/month more than i pay now, i can get 10 times the speed i get now...

+ $7000 of your tax dollars
I have no doubt it will be good but surely we could set somthing up thats really good with out costing quite so much.
We are not exactly rolling in it anymore last i heard -26% of gdp maybe now is the time to show some restraint

[z80]

Originally Posted by snappy

+ $7000 of your tax dollars
I have no doubt it will be good but surely we could set somthing up thats really good with out costing quite so much.
We are not exactly rolling in it anymore last i heard -26% of gdp maybe now is the time to show some restraint

I doubt any tax payer will get a tax invoice for $7000.

Repeated liberation of Abbott rhetoric does not make it fact.

[snappy]

Originally Posted by z80

I doubt any tax payer will get a tax invoice for $7000.

Repeated liberation of Abbott rhetoric does not make it fact.

No sorry didn't mean it like that , 38 billion works out to 7k a home

quick to judge or what , Attack is not allways the best defence

[naddis01]

If I am not mistaken the 38000000000 does not include the 11000000000 that NBN co has to pay Telstra to create their monopoly. So the total is actually closer to 50000000000.

I think I would prefer a health system that actually works and can pay their bills.

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by naddis01

I think I would prefer a health system that actually works and can pay their bills.

GP's will soon be able to refer you for a video-link consultation with a specialist in metro/inner city Sydney, to cut patient accomodation and travel costs. There are some good steps being made, but in saying that, how these steps are being delivered is a bit of a joke.

[350125GO]

Internode is one of the more expensive ISPs that make up for it in service quality, its who I use at the moment. Lets wait and see other companies pricing before we jump in and bash it as a "waste of money". Pretty sure internodes are BOTH telephone/internet bundles as well.

[SB076]

I cant speak for all of Australia but personally I have seen massive improvements in internet speeds prior the announcement of the NBN and I know I can get faster speeds again if I am willing to pay (my speeds are not as good as Z80 has posted but I pay less, but I can still stream video etc) Therefore would we be better off if we left companies to continue to improve internet speeds without government involvement?

[mcnews]

For many regional areas it will make a huge difference. By and large in the city those that are willing to pay for premium internet can get it. In the country the story is different.

[Dr Jekkyl]

These prices include a bundled phone service.

Data limits include uploads and downloads.

Comparable to many ADSL plans currently offered.

Most basic plan would suit most homes and represents good value IMO.

[Professor Farnsworth]

I'm currently on 100Mbps cable so the NBN doesn't have a massive interest to me, although i could do with the upload speed it has. I pay quite a premium for my service but it's still less than the quoted prices. The price will come down over time and i guarantee there will be people charging less than 'node. If you don't want it, stick with ADSL, or get one of the povo plans that The Reject Shop will probably offer. I remember hearing Dodo claim they were going to offer unlimited plans on the NBN too, whether that pans out we'll see.

This is what i'm getting at the moment, it's not a test from today as the speed drops a bit around this time of the day (speed gets to 110+ on closer servers, ping is usually 5 and upload 2.41)



It's all just to do with what you do with the net, and what your background in IT is.

[My poor XF]

This is what i have to put up with, bring on the NBN.

[Dusty1]

Here's mine:

Your line speed is 11.08 Mbps (11079 kbps).
Your download speed is 1.35 MB/s (1385 KB/s).

I'm happy with what I've got. Although I see the benefits in the NBN. I currently work from home, and many more will be able to as well. It is available now, but the flakiness of internet connection and trust issues stop this being taken up. Once the NBN is in place, the trust issues need to be tackled, but they will change (eventually). I pay $49.95 for 40 GB through Netspace.

Speed test says that I am faster than 76% of Oz. To me that's not fair and we all should be getting similar speeds no matter where we are. Unfortunately, we have a big country and a small population, so need a large network.

Wireless technology is about 15 years behind, and the reality with wireless is that when more people get on it, the slower it gets. That's if you can get on it, try using wireless in regional Victoria/NSW/QLD. I've tried with a dongle and iPhone and ended up sitting in MacDonalds. I even tried in Sydney at Darling Harbour using the iPhone and gave up.

Undoubtedly there will be new wireless access points which you will be able to link into and allow you to work securely, faster and better than you do now, anywhere. Also, don't forget that with faster internet, you can start to use more online software, so won't be tied to Microsoft any more. Open Office is pretty good, but the new offerings will be better. Open source will boom under the NBN.

[gtfpv]

I'm paying $99 per month for 1500 speed 10 gig . Includes local calls withhold aapt . I think I'm getting ripped . I can't get adsl 2 it isn't in my area. + the 1500 speed gets slowed down mores because I am far from the server or something .

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

I'm paying $99 per month for 1500 speed 10 gig . Includes local calls withhold aapt . I think I'm getting ripped . I can't get adsl 2 it isn't in my area. + the 1500 speed gets slowed down mores because I am far from the server or something .

go to the Dodo site and test your number for 2+ - there are very few areas they don't service, as they just resell Telstra in a lot of places. Yes people bag them out all the time but to be honest their net itself was rock solid for the 4 years i was with them, it's just dealing with customer service that can be challenging.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

go to the Dodo site and test your number for 2+ - there are very few areas they don't service, as they just resell Telstra in a lot of places. Yes people bag them out all the time but to be honest their net itself was rock solid for the 4 years i was with them, it's just dealing with customer service that can be challenging.

He might be on a RIM. Or no ports available.


Im getting as fast as I can where I am. 20/1, 200 gig, uploads not counted for $59.

The thing with the NBN is that during peak times, you should (note, should) still get the advertised speeds. Even in off peak times on ADSL (1, 2, 2+), the advertised speed is only theoretical.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by fmc351

He might be on a RIM. Or no ports available.


Im getting as fast as I can where I am. 20/1, 200 gig, uploads not counted for $59.

The thing with the NBN is that during peak times, you should (note, should) still get the advertised speeds. Even in off peak times on ADSL (1, 2, 2+), the advertised speed is only theoretical.

yeah he might, but there's no harm in trying. There are many stories of people connecting to lower speeds than are available to them, even the CSR's don't know a lot of the time. If he's in an Optus area then it could be a port issue. A lot of the naked plans tend to use Optus infrastructure and personally i've always steered clear based on other peoples' experience.

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Yes people bag them out all the time but to be honest their net itself was rock solid for the 4 years i was with them, it's just dealing with customer service that can be challenging.

When purchasing anything, poor customer service is generally where the sale is lost. I struggle to know how Dodo still exist. They had a poor reputation back in the days of dial-up, and nothing has changed.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by ch33z1l

When purchasing anything, poor customer service is generally where the sale is lost. I struggle to know how Dodo still exist. They had a poor reputation back in the days of dial-up, and nothing has changed.

yes but if you're tech savvy, and don't need to speak to the Manilla call centre, as i said the internet they supply is very reliable. I had ADSL with them in two locations, one completely rural and the other being suburban, and it went down twice in the 4 years, and not for very long either. The reason being as i also mentioned already that they use Telstra re-selling in many areas.

[platinumXR]

Roll on NBN.

[R1XSTA]

Here's my speed at work, Personally i think its okay, i don't notice much time duration in loading pages/images. but it struggles when multiple tabs are going up.




I cant wait for the NBN for the pure fact that it'll help all the rural country areas, which is the main reason its in existance. Us city slickers don't need it, and i find it unfair that we will be given the opportunity to take such a valuable resource away from those who need it most.

I can't wait for the opportunity to arise that those in the middle of no where can be closer to doctors and help if needed, and not be subjected to long wait times.

This day and age, city slickers like myself don't appreciate what we have.
if you have to wait 10mins in a line to watch a movie at the cinema, people whinge.
if you have to wait 10mins for your meal at mcdonalds, people whinge.

what about the people in the country, of whom have to drive nearly 2 hours for a local cinema to be able to get the luxuries that we have down at the local shops 20minutes away.

[trippytaka]

Wait until Australians take up the online movies straight to their TVs... the NBN will be a massive cash cow for the gvt. Just look at what has happened in USA. It's been MASSIVE.

Anyway, from a business point of view, and a nerd's view, I am stoked at the NBN. I can not wait. Bring it on. And at those prices? Bargain!

[Polyal]

Yes but it should have been left to the players in the market to improve. But hey, as mentioned, farmers will get quick p0rn so its all worth it.

No doubt some of the internet in Oz is rubbish, heck even 40mins out of Melb we couldnt get a hard connection (but I think that was the property developers problem). Anyway, we had wireless for a while and my god that was rubbish along with anything else that was telstra based.

There are far more important issues about than the speed of our internet, the market should pay itself if they want quicker internet, not force everyone into it.

Typically the people who need or want massive speeds already have it and pay for it; businesses just claim it as an expense anyway. Your normal family does not require 20MBPS, Im already running multiple external drives, speed is nice but storage is going to be a problem too unless your streaming all the time and then your going to eat your bandwidth pretty quickly.

You will use that base plan of 30GB in no time...200GB is a bit excessive. I cant remember what my connection is at the moment but I know the limit is 100GB, which is heaps, and top speed I ever get is about 800kb/s..which isnt huge but isnt really slow either. WTF do I want with anything more than that?

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yes but it should have been left to the players in the market to improve. But hey, as mentioned, farmers will get quick p0rn so its all worth it.

No doubt some of the internet in Oz is rubbish, heck even 40mins out of Melb we couldnt get a hard connection (but I think that was the property developers problem). Anyway, we had wireless for a while and my god that was rubbish along with anything else that was telstra based.

There are far more important issues about than the speed of our internet, the market should pay itself if they want quicker internet, not force everyone into it.

Typically the people who need or want massive speeds already have it and pay for it; businesses just claim it as an expense anyway. Your normal family does not require 20MBPS, Im already running multiple external drives, speed is nice but storage is going to be a problem too unless your streaming all the time and then your going to eat your bandwidth pretty quickly.

You will use that base plan of 30GB in no time...200GB is a bit excessive. I cant remember what my connection is at the moment but I know the limit is 100GB, which is heaps, and top speed I ever get is about 800kb/s..which isnt huge but isnt really slow either. WTF do I want with anything more than that?

The only experience I have had recently with the Telco market dictating infrastructure upgrades is Vodafone (sorry, Vodafail).

Telcos have not updated infrastructure and I doubt that they ever would. They are much happier with overcharging for status quo

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

The only experience I have had recently with the Telco market dictating infrastructure upgrades is Vodafone (sorry, Vodafail).

Telcos have not updated infrastructure and I doubt that they ever would. They are much happier with overcharging for status quo

Why would they spend a cent when the gov will?

I can see how the NBN will help some Aussies, fine, but in general it is massive overkill. This and the Carbon Tax....socialists

Surely they could have just looked at fixing the areas that needed attention first, no way would I look at "upgrading" when my current provider is more than adequate...im sure for the majority it would be the same.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Why would they spend a cent when the gov will?

I can see how the NBN will help some Aussies, fine, but in general it is massive overkill. This and the Carbon Tax....socialists

Surely they could have just looked at fixing the areas that needed attention first, no way would I look at "upgrading" when my current provider is more than adequate...im sure for the majority it would be the same.

yes, also:

No one needs a telephone, when telegrams are adequate for most messages
No one needs a mobile phone, there are many public phone boxes
No one needs television (picture wireless) when the radio plays enough big-boppa for the whole family
No one needs a computer, calculators work just fine
No one needs the internet at all, newspapers and the TV tell us all the accurate and completely un-biased info we are told we need to know

I guess it's my IT background but just take my (and others here) word for it when i say that no matter how much bandwidth is offered to the consumer, it WILL be made use of, and WILL benefit the whole network, and the people accessing it. In 20 years people will be laughing at an archived version of this thread while posting about it on their 500Mbit+ connections.

[mondo_broady]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

yes, also:

No one needs a telephone, when telegrams are adequate for most messages
No one needs a mobile phone, there are many public phone boxes
No one needs television (picture wireless) when the radio plays enough big-boppa for the whole family
No one needs a computer, calculators work just fine
No one needs the internet at all, newspapers and the TV tell us all the accurate and completely un-biased info we are told we need to know

Thank you, you gave me my biggest laugh for the day!!

one of my gripes is the ignorance of many people at how things are outside of their own little bubble. i live in one of the newest suburbs in NSW's 3rd biggest city (and iirc Australia's 9th biggest) and i can't even get access to ADSL2+!!!

as for our friend, the NON-socialist, i wonder just how much detail he actually knows about both the NBN & the Carbon tax??

[landau460]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

yes, also:

No one needs a telephone, when telegrams are adequate for most messages
No one needs a mobile phone, there are many public phone boxes
No one needs television (picture wireless) when the radio plays enough big-boppa for the whole family
No one needs a computer, calculators work just fine
No one needs the internet at all, newspapers and the TV tell us all the accurate and completely un-biased info we are told we need to know

I guess it's my IT background but just take my (and others here) word for it when i say that no matter how much bandwidth is offered to the consumer, it WILL be made use of, and WILL benefit the whole network, and the people accessing it. In 20 years people will be laughing at an archived version of this thread while posting about it on their 500Mbit+ connections.

I agree with everything here you said there is no need for most, if not all of these things. With the exception of the phone that has worked not to bad for the best part of a century, these are all destractions from life for most who use it, the world worked fine before the internet so it is only a want not need.
And when it comes to 20years time i would expect that 500 Mbit to be a very very pour quality.

Is the internet a NEED or a WANT? I would say more a want. So say it is a need given the fact that the internet is working fine. Why after only 20 years does it need this connection speed? I'd say the answer would be because technology moves faster nowadays. i would think that by the time its paid we will have such technology that we will look back and laugh at what we would have spent 38 billion on. That billions of dollars would probly be a drop in the ocean but that will be then and not now it is not a drop in the ocean!

The phone works fine and has for such a long time they went wireless! The internet works fine and has for 20 years and then it went wireless, at who's expence? And who was forced to use wireless phones?