Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 18

Poetic Justice · 13-02-2019, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Holden won't want to give up its acsess to thd Colorado though.

I'm sure they could find a way to distribute some other ute!

marty351 · 13-02-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

I'm sure they could find a way to distribute some other ute!

Re-badged Great Wall?

Poetic Justice · 13-02-2019, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by marty351

Re-badged Great Wall?

They've done terrible things in the past. Who knows if they're smart enough to learn?

danzvtil · 13-02-2019, 11:36 PM

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They've done terrible things in the past. Who knows if they're smart enough to learn?

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To be fair, the epica was already in existence when GM bought the ashes of daewoo, they had to use it to get their money’s worth. The real up yours came out of the Captiva, which gm tarted up and sold for what 12 years

vztrt · 13-02-2019, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Holden won't want to give up its acsess to thd Colorado though.

They would change the branding to chev or pull out of Aus. Not like Colorado sales are on fire

RANGEREST · 13-02-2019, 08:57 PM

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

Windsor220 · 13-02-2019, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

GM has pulled out of europe. UK is rhd. Not sure what other rhd countries GM is in but word is they aren't interested.

Actually just read they left India and South Africa so Aus would be one of the last rhd countries for them.

Eurotrash · 13-02-2019, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

GM has pulled out of europe. UK is rhd. Not sure what other rhd countries GM is in but word is they aren't interested.

Actually just read they left India and South Africa so Aus would be one of the last rhd countries for them.

Correct! Australia, New Zealand and Thailand are the only major RHD markets left for GM. They do sell in small numbers in Malaysia, Singapore and other smaller RHD Asian countries, but they're tiny numbers.

They've left the UK, Japan, South Africa, Indonesia and also India, but they still use India as an export base for their products to other developing markets.

Eurotrash · 13-02-2019, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

If Ford pull out of the UK, then yes, the same could happen to Ford in Australia, but as long as Ford is in the UK, then I think we're safe …. for now.

Bossxr8 · 14-02-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

Big difference is Ford Aus is profitable, and can source cars from itself.

Holden must be unprofitable or making very little $ having to slash RRP's just to move cars, on top of having to source vehicles from outside companies. Not to mention GM just does not give a fig about RHD markets now.

Ranger goes to 180+ countries so is available in pretty much all the RHD markets. That keeps it safe. Plus it's very profitable and most of the work is done here.

marty351 · 14-02-2019, 07:33 PM

Bye,bye miss american pie...

prydey · 14-02-2019, 09:06 PM

I was thinking recently, how many mass production brands have been consigned to the history books over the years? Probably more than I realise but...

Morris
Austin
Wolseley
...

Can't think of too many modern ones.

Actually I googled it and there are way more than I realised

Too many to list. Some recent ones are

Saab
Hummer
Oldsmobile
Mercury
Plymouth
Daewoo
Etc
Etc

stevanford · 14-02-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

I was thinking recently, how many mass production brands have been consigned to the history books over the years? Probably more than I realise but...

Morris
Austin
Wolseley
...

Can't think of too many modern ones.

Actually I googled it and there are way more than I realised

Too many to list. Some recent ones are

Saab
Hummer
Oldsmobile
Mercury
Plymouth
Daewoo
Etc
Etc

Add Pontiac to that.

prydey · 14-02-2019, 09:18 PM

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Add Pontiac to that.

GM has quite a few of their brands on the list.

It's a much bigger list than I realised.

Dr Terry · 15-02-2019, 10:20 AM

If we just do a list of defunct car brands from say 1960, it would go like this:-

Desoto
Edsel
Studebaker
Plymouth
Delorean
Pontiac
Oldsmobile
Saturn
Daewoo
Hummer
Mercury
Sunbeam
Singer
Hillman
Humber
Wolseley
Alvis
Morris
Austin
Riley
Standard
Triumph
Bedford
Fargo
Bolwell
Borgward
DAF
Leyland
De Tomaso
Eunos
Goggomobil
Goliath
ISO
Jensen
MG (has recently re-emerged under new owners)
SAAB
Rover
NSU
Prince
Rambler
AMC
Simca
Talbot

There are literally 1000s more but this is a list of the better known ones.

Dr Terry

Wretched · 15-02-2019, 10:38 AM

Cheeky note from Toyota this morning

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futura · 15-02-2019, 09:29 PM

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Go Toyota!!

arronm · 16-02-2019, 12:05 AM

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Cheeky note from Toyota this morningimage

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Its OK if you like driving a truck....

davship · 16-02-2019, 08:45 AM

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That front bumper looking thingy is utterly hideousness.

csv8 · 16-02-2019, 11:32 AM

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That front bumper looking thingy is utterly hideousness.

Seen the new Triton !

davship · 16-02-2019, 12:05 PM

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Seen the new Triton !

Wow, tritons can get uglier.

roddy1960 · 16-02-2019, 11:02 AM

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Cheeky note from Toyota this morningimage

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With the possible exception of Corolla ,nothing Toyota makes even remotely interests me . Exact same with Nissan . None of their no doubt well built reliable cars ,SUV's or utes has ever or currently grabs me even if I could afford any .

Honda is way more interesting if I was to go Japanese built and Subey's too I like more than Toyota . One other brand that I like from the red sun land is Mazda ..Very nice indeed and I really like their mid size cars especially . Some Mitsy stuff isn't too bad but Toyota is no interest at all to me . Lots of people would disagree for sure . Fair enough too ..

Now that the local car industry has gone I reckon the huge rise in Korean quality and range to rival the Japanese is a new battle and something that former loyal Ford and Holden buyers are looking toward more and more.

The VF Commodore has proven to be a beaut car and the owners I know (a few) love them . Don't know anything much about any other Holden badged car so not fair to comment except that the Commodore ZB owner I spoke to at work a few months back was really enjoying his as I mentioned in another post at the time. It was the station wagon .

Praying the Holden identity is not completely lost to history over time whoever ends up owning it or providing vehicles . It'd be devastating for a loyal core of fans that love the red lion brand to lose that link forever .

lra · 16-02-2019, 02:17 PM

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. It'd be devastating for a loyal core of fans that love the red lion brand to lose that link forever .

Disagree. The loyal core of Holden fans have voted, they are not buying the Red Lion anymore, because the current offerings are not Holdens, regardless of the marketing spin.
Prior to about 2005, Holden used to have input into the design and specs of imports. ( The XC Barina had a major redesign to accommodate aircon and auto .) And, supposedly the V6 ZB was due to Holden's work.
Holden has shafted Australian taxpayers, broken promises ( where are all the new models by 2020 ), and reduced choice. Loyal buyers remember that, and will not forgive GM.
Current Holden buyers are just cross shopping with other brands for the best $$$ deal.

BENT_8 · 16-02-2019, 09:36 PM

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Disagree. The loyal core of Holden fans have voted, they are not buying the Red Lion anymore, because the current offerings are not Holdens, regardless of the marketing spin.
Prior to about 2005, Holden used to have input into the design and specs of imports. ( The XC Barina had a major redesign to accommodate aircon and auto .) And, supposedly the V6 ZB was due to Holden's work.
Holden has shafted Australian taxpayers, broken promises ( where are all the new models by 2020 ), and reduced choice. Loyal buyers remember that, and will not forgive GM.
Current Holden buyers are just cross shopping with other brands for the best $$$ deal.

Yep, Holden are screwed, but they're still only 100odd sales behind someone else we wont mention..

Cue the discounting comments.

prydey · 16-02-2019, 09:56 PM

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Yep, Holden are screwed, but they're still only 100odd sales behind someone else we wont mention..

Cue the discounting comments.

The difference is nothing to do with product, but branding. Ford is Ford, everywhere in the world. Holden is now just a shell in a little island in the pacific. They don't actually make cars. If GM offload them, then what?

Ford can't offload Ford. They are all one and the same. Having said that, Ford could decide to stop selling cars in Australia (unlikely), but Ford would still exist as a brand. Holden, if unwanted by its parent company, are unlikely to be snapped up by any other importer, so could very possibly be consigned to the history books.

as for the $50... geez, I thought I was tight.

vztrt · 16-02-2019, 10:28 PM

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Cheeky note from Toyota this morning

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They going to park Hilux in front of Holden dealerships and blow white smoke at potential customers?

MITCHAY · 15-02-2019, 10:59 PM

Holden was dead as soon as the VF finished. We all knew it, and they did too.

Opels didn't sell when they were Opels and they don't sell when they are rebadged as Holden either.

I've seen more Camaros the last week then I have seen fake 'Commodores' and they cost 90k and need to be converted to RHD!

Adamz Ghia · 15-02-2019, 11:10 PM

In my opinion Holden lost their way when they gave up their Euro products in favour of the old Daewoo models. They were terrible cars, cheap and nasty and went against everything Holden was trying to promote themselves as.

One has to wonder how they would have fared if they never got rid of Euro Barina, Astra, Vectra and the like.

prydey · 15-02-2019, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Holden was dead as soon as the VF finished. We all knew it, and they did too.

Opels didn't sell when they were Opels and they don't sell when they are rebadged as Holden either.

I've seen more Camaros the last week then I have seen fake 'Commodores' and they cost 90k and need to be converted to RHD!

Adelaide has always been Commodore country. It took easily at least 6 months after they were released for me to see one in the wild, but now they are actually reasonably common again here. Would see a handful every day and I only travel for about 25 mins each way.

Without the prejudice, they aren't a bad car.

MITCHAY · 15-02-2019, 11:22 PM

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Adelaide has always been Commodore country. It took easily at least 6 months after they were released for me to see one in the wild, but now they are actually reasonably common again here. Would see a handful every day and I only travel for about 25 mins each way.

Without the prejudice, they aren't a bad car.

No they aren't a bad car at all, but they are not in anyway a Commodore.