Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[rancidpunx]

Even if they find it, the conspiracies will still flow thick and fast. "Its not the real plane, its a staged wreckage, hence the bumbling around and time it took to "Find". etc etc

[cheap]

This latest search zone would seem to be aligned to a trajectory of the plane turning around and attempting to head back to KL but continuing beyond KL to the point where it simply ran out of fuel. I'm thinking the mysterious radar tracking of a plane into the Straights of Malaca is just noise from Malaysian govco. Malaysia hasn't helped the efforts when it declared without any doubt that the plane had headed west and flew in such a way to avoided radar tracking. If this is the wreckage, then it comes down to an issue with the plane and attempts to return back to KL or a potential 9-11 event which failed. Either way Malaysian govt haven't handled this with much dignity.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by cheap

This latest search zone would seem to be aligned to a trajectory of the plane turning around and attempting to head back to KL but continuing beyond KL to the point where it simply ran out of fuel. I'm thinking the mysterious radar tracking of a plane into the Straights of Malaca is just noise from Malaysian govco. Malaysia hasn't helped the efforts when it declared without any doubt that the plane had headed west and flew in such a way to avoided radar tracking. If this is the wreckage, then it comes down to an issue with the plane and attempts to return back to KL or a potential 9-11 event which failed. Either way Malaysian govt haven't handled this with much dignity.

We're hardly going to hear the Malaysian government say they haven't the capability to track an unidentified aircraft in it's airspace.

When questioned yesterday, Hishammuddin Hussein, the Malaysian Transport minister, was asked when the satellite images of the debris in the Indian Ocean was taken. He didn't know, even when told the date stamp was 16 March 2014.

The Malay's are not used to their capabilities and authority being questioned. This situation is causing both and is embarrassing for them.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by F6 Concorde

The Malay's are not used to their capabilities and authority being questioned. This situation is causing both and is embarrassing for them.

If it was a deliberate act by the pilot and the debris is off the coast of WA, then he couldnt have picked a more distant location to expose the current leadership.

[nstg8a]

It makes no sense for a pilot to commit harikari halfway to the antarctic

[MDS69]

I haven't gone back to read all of the posts, my bad, but with regards to the discovery of items S/W of WA if it was plane wreckage why is it still floating.
Also someone earlier wrote that there is speculation that the Aussie radar can track further than what the government admit to. Just pure speculation here I wonder if Australia knew where it was all along but couldn't admit to such as it would expose the extent of their capabilities. How is that for a theory.

[Road_Warrior]

Doubtful whether even JORN would track something that far out.

[ray38l]

The government would have to be pretty confident of what is in the ocean to make such a big deal about it. I have read elsewhere that the other unreleased images have more depth to the pictures .
If it is Australia that finds it, it would look a bit embarrassing for Malaysia. From reading aviation forums the general sentiment is that because Australia is involved then it must be it this time.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

It makes no sense for a pilot to commit harikari halfway to the antarctic

Makes a lot of sense if you want to either bring your national carrier to its knees, make your government appear incompetent, or both.

On the latter, I think a deliberate ditching in the Indian Ocean has certainly done that. For the former, I wonder what the impact to MAS's customer numbers have been in the wake of the MH370 disappearance has been? And the longer the search goes on, the greater the impact would be I suspect.

If this was a deliberate plan, it appears to have been both excellently planned and executed.

Craig H

[cram_it_frog]

still no sold news and the amount of man power being sent to the bottom of the world is climbing each day two air craft with SES personel are on the way all along with numbers private ships and navey ships

we are also getting chinese and japenese aircraft

but sadly this time of year the weather in that part of the world is not good vision is ok today but tomorrow it wil get worse

Some of you might rember this I was living in perth at the time this huy had a beer alarm thing that gave his location and it was dificurlt to find him



On 5 January 1997, in the Southern Ocean near 52°S 100°E, Bullimore's boat, Exide Challenger capsized and the majority of press and media reports assumed that the 55-year-old sailor was lost. The Royal Australian Navy launched a rescue mission for Bullimore and another capsized competitor, Thierry Dubois.
Bullimore was alive and managed to survive in an air pocket in the upside-down boat in pitch darkness, having lost his food supplies - his only food was a bar of chocolate. On 9 January, Thierry Dubois was rescued by an Australian S-70B-2 Seahawk helicopter embarked on the frigate HMAS Adelaide.

[cram_it_frog]

I tell you what guys and girls we need to take out hats off to the Guy and Ladies of the Australian SES they risk life and limb for no fee every time they go out to help us . As soon as the phone rings they drop what they are doing and go out and help the comunity.

Personally I feel a little some extra when they retire would not go astray they have given so much of there time , just imagine if the were paid full time wages it would cost a small fortune.

Yes i was a founding meber of g]Gosnells SES i did it for 2 or 3 years and had to move away for work i did a few searchs a lot of storm cleaning up

but I think this is a first to be sent out looking for a aircraft the trip is a long one and will take a full day out.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

On 5 January 1997, in the Southern Ocean near 52°S 100°E, Bullimore's boat, Exide Challenger capsized and the majority of press and media reports assumed that the 55-year-old sailor was lost. The Royal Australian Navy launched a rescue mission for Bullimore and another capsized competitor, Thierry Dubois.
Bullimore was alive and managed to survive in an air pocket in the upside-down boat in pitch darkness, having lost his food supplies - his only food was a bar of chocolate. On 9 January, Thierry Dubois was rescued by an Australian S-70B-2 Seahawk helicopter embarked on the frigate HMAS Adelaide.

Way off topic but years ago we invited Bullimore as special motivational speaker to a work conference, everything was going well until he invited the audience for any questions. The first question was a gem (it was also the last question).

Question: Since your rescue you've written a book and given motivational speeches where you have made money from your circumstance. Do you think you should repay some costs back to the Australian Government for your rescue?

Answer: Bullimore stuttered for a few moments, promptly packed up his gear and walk out, I guess that meant NO!

[Road_Warrior]

They are definitely ramping things up. More ships and planes on the way and I just saw what looked like a C-5 Galaxy fly over my house on approach to either Perth Airport or Pearce. Probably had some of that remote-operated deep sea gear in it.

EDIT: And another. Although could be a C-17 Globemaster III, but this one looked like it had the Chinese flag on the tail.

EDIT 2: It was this:

[ltd]

One of my friends was recently on CNN being asked for an opinion. Sadly there is so much speculation by those who have very little idea as to what happened, it has clouded the issue significantly. Seems that journalists desperate for information are adding 2+2 and getting 5.
Compounding the issue, is the ridiculous release of information by the Malaysians who are desperate to save face. Each piece of information released is once disseminated filled with contradiction to the prior bit of info, or full of holes.

Pilots I have spoken to seem to form a very similar opinion, that is to say there seems to be consensus on an electromechanical problem on board such as an avionics fire, and the captain tried to divert to Pulau Langkawi. It has a 13000 foot runway and the left turn on a direct heading to Langkawi with an ocean approach seems to make sense. Flying over the Malaysian Peninsula can be dangerous in an aircraft of which the condition is deteriorating, as there are 8000 foot ranges to clear. Not a problem in the day, but on a dark night with no instruments it's too hazardous to mention.
Also, from the point of lost comms, Langkawi is closer.

I'm also disgusted at the lack of respect for the crew, who most likely died whilst heroically trying to save the lives of all those on board.
For the sake of all those souls on board, the crew and their families, I hope that we find the site and investigate the causes. Lets just hope the debris is not a lost shipping container.

[05_ENFORCER]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

They are definitely ramping things up. More ships and planes on the way and I just saw what looked like a C-5 Galaxy fly over my house on approach to either Perth Airport or Pearce. Probably had some of that remote-operated deep sea gear in it.

EDIT: And another. Although could be a C-17 Globemaster III, but this one looked like it had the Chinese flag on the tail.

EDIT 2: It was this:

image

I was sitting in my office around lunchtime, or just before, and saw two large military aircraft depart from Pearce on a flight path across to the west south west.


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[cram_it_frog]

Bullimore stuttered for a few moments, promptly packed up his gear and walk out, I guess that meant NO!

let hope we do not have to save his sorry butt again

[cheap]

2nd time lucky for the Chinese with a jab at Malaysia.

• Having incorrectly claimed their satellite had found wreckage in the Gulf of Thailand, the Chinese have shown revised satellite imagery with an object 22.5m x 13m positioned in the South Indian Ocean (just south of the new search area).
  
  
• Chinese also claim the transcript of conversation between the plane and ground control is not correct, but do not go into detail as to what is wrong.

This now appears to be a 'race to the bottom' (sorry for the pun) amongst countries trying to undo other countries claims. Nothing like a bit of national one-ups-man-ship during a search and rescue is there (sarc). Category One Cyclone forming off Christmas Island for good measure.

[Madaya]

Chinese satellites spot new possible debris from missing plane
Fingers crossed on this one.
Very controversial for nations to be releasing these photographs/images.
I don't think these satellites were put up there to take pics of huge swaths of the
Indian Ocean. I wonder if the USA or Russia have targeted their spy sats to take
pics of the southern Indian Ocean?
Kind of heartening, that in a time of crisis at least, 'They shall beat the Swords into Plowshares' still rings true.

[XBROO]

With all these satellite picking up 20 plus meters of floating debris here and there, it makes you wonder how much rubbish is floating in the ocean. I can't help thinking if the plane was hijacked and is stored somewhere,are the hijackers just sitting back watching the world have a wild goose chase?

And if they are terrorist, are they going to strike while everybody's busy looking for the plane?

[cram_it_frog]

Ok every one out there do you rember Kelly's Heroes the movie in one scene there were talking about a bridge being up and working

Kelly said " POSITIVE THINKING is what we need here

you think the bridge is standing and it will

So what I want is every one out there with POSITIVE THOUGHTS

THIS IS THE WRECKAGE THIS IS THE WRECKAGE

Please and thank you

[Yellow_Festiva]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...age-gives-hope

An Australian plane has spotted small pieces of debris in the southern Indian Ocean but Prime Minister Tony Abbott says it's too early to be sure if they are from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.

Mr Abbott gave an update on the search for Flight MH370 before leaving Papua New Guinea on Sunday morning.

Hours earlier China released a grainy March 18 satellite image of an object measuring 22.5 metres by 13 metres, just 120km from where possible wreckage was detected in the ocean two days earlier, about 2500km southwest of Perth.

The new Chinese satellite imagery suggests at least one large object, Mr Abbott said on Sunday.

"Yesterday one of our civilian search aircraft got visuals of a number of objects in a fairly small area in the overall Australian search zone," the prime minister told reporters.

A wooden pallet was among the items, he said.

"Obviously before we can be too specific about what it might be, we need to recover this material. It's still too early to be definite," he said.

Mr Abbott says there is increasing hope that authorities are on the road to discovering what happened to the ill-fated jet.

MH370, carrying 239 people including six Australians, dropped off civilian radar on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Two weeks later Malaysian investigators still believe it was "deliberately diverted" by someone on board.

Mr Abbott said four more aircraft - two Chinese and two Japanese planes - will join the Indian Ocean search on Sunday.

Question... would a wooden pallet be used in the cargo hold of a plane??

If it were, you would assume that something heavy were strapped it it. Meaning it would have sunk???

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

Ok every one out there do you rember Kelly's Heroes the movie in one scene there were talking about a bridge being up and working

Kelly said " POSITIVE THINKING is what we need here

you think the bridge is standing and it will

So what I want is every one out there with POSITIVE THOUGHTS

THIS IS THE WRECKAGE THIS IS THE WRECKAGE

Please and thank you

ok i'll give this a try . HERE GOES " CLOSE EYES, CEAR MIND , NOW REPEAT IN MY HEAD !!

" I HAVE A 10 INCH SCHLONG " " I HAVE A 10 INCH SCHLONG" "I HAVE A 10 INCH SCHLONG"

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...age-gives-hope



Question... would a wooden pallet be used in the cargo hold of a plane??

If it were, you would assume that something heavy were strapped it it. Meaning it would have sunk???

300-400kmh+ impacts from high altitude tend to break straps.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

300-400kmh+ impacts from high altitude tend to break straps.

I think the straps would have broken the pallet before they themselves broke???

Also, if the pallet was visible from space, it must be a lightish colour. How long does it take for a floating item to start to develop slime and other gunk that tends to attach to and grow over anything floating in the water???

Whatever was seen floating probably wasn't in the water long enough to develop those growths.

[05_ENFORCER]

Pallets have been know to go over board, especially onboard some expo oil rigs ...............


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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

Pallets have been know to go over board, especially onboard some expo oil rigs ...............
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Which is where I think this pallet has come from.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I think the straps would have broken the pallet before they themselves broke???

Also, if the pallet was visible from space, it must be a lightish colour. How long does it take for a floating item to start to develop slime and other gunk that tends to attach to and grow over anything floating in the water???

Whatever was seen floating probably wasn't in the water long enough to develop those growths.

Wasn't the rumoured 200Kgs of gold strapped to a pallet?

[Charliewool]

Just on this wooden pallet sighting.... There are up to 10,000 (that's TEN thousand)shipping containers lost at sea each year... how MANY pallets do you reckon are also floating the globe?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Wasn't the rumoured 200Kgs of gold strapped to a pallet?

I wonder... would strapping 200kg of gold to a pallet be the first method that comes to mind for transportation???

200kg of gold is actually pretty compact... a quick online calculator tells me not much bigger than a full 10L bucket in volume.

Or half the size of a carry on bag for context.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Just on this wooden pallet sighting.... There are up to 10,000 (that's TEN thousand)shipping containers lost at sea each year... how MANY pallets do you reckon are also floating the globe?

I'd heard a similar number mentioned a few years ago from someone in the shipping industry.....

Probably explains the rising sea levels, not Global Warming