![]() |
|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#301 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,505
|
Quote:
every post here says that something needs to be done and tightening p plate or road rules wont do jack to prevent this happening again
__________________
Phantom, T56, leather and sunroof BAmk1 :yeees: Holden special vehicles - for special people ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#302 | ||
BLUE OVAL INC.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,645
|
Exactly who was this guy racing?
Apparently you dont need to be in a debate over whos cars faster to be an idiot on the roads. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#303 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
|
Drag strip won't work.. These people are all about rebelling and opportunism, the car was unregistered. These kinds of people hate conforming to laws and rules, the buzz comes as much from the speed as it does from breaking the law. The cost and regulations puts these people off legal motorsport, they aren't motorsport enthusiasts at all. We have lots of off road facilities already, they won't use them..
__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars.. ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#304 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,505
|
Quote:
__________________
Phantom, T56, leather and sunroof BAmk1 :yeees: Holden special vehicles - for special people ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#305 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,051
|
Quote:
nowadays, there are skate parks everywhere, and they'e rarely empty. we pour so much money into also sorts of pointless campaigns, why not put some into an alternative venue? |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#306 | |||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 665
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
The difference here though seems to be the attitude of these individuals and the fact that they don’t seem to recognise the difference between "what is right and what is wrong" to "what is right and what is very very very very wrong" like the rest of us do. |
|||||
![]() |
![]() |
#307 | ||
FORMER T3 OWNER
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,241
|
bud bud, I do agree, and in all honesty didn’t mean that all of them were BAD people nor did they deserve to die, sorry if it seemed that way, rather than looking at it through a mothers eyes I was mealy stating the cold harsh facts but in looking back at what I have written I can see how it can be construed the wrong way.
__________________
Mischief.TV you can sleep in your car, but you cant drift your house... ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#308 | |||
BLUE OVAL INC.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,645
|
Quote:
Some would take it upon themselves to believe if they are good enough to get away with it on the track it makes them experts and capable of doing it anywhere, who knows. Perhaps if parents excercised their right to be parents and 'drilled' common sense into their children this wouldnt be an issue. Lets stop making excuses for the behaviour and take ownership of the problem. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#309 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 665
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#310 | |||
Force Fed Fords
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Enroute
Posts: 4,050
|
Need to enforce licencing rules.
New licencees should also pay a bond of $1000.00 to the RTA or whatever, able to be lost through fines and/or smaller fines such as talking on the mobile whilst driving etc. This gives young drivers an incentive to behave, as well as weed out the idiots who shouldn't have a licence anyway. Sounds expensive I know, but to a kid at 15 thinking of getting their licence they would start to save early and appreciate their learners permit/P plates that much more. We should also look at a card reader with a smart chip like on your Visa card that ascertains drivers licence types matched to that particular car ie, your P plate son cannot literally start your F6 typhoon. Also, those without a licence cannot start anything period without licence card. Quite cheap technology and would do a lot to stop thousands of idiots. Further, technology could be adapted to facial recognition match with the card and the car which would be a key feature to a lot of high end models; prevent a lot of thefts too. Another thing is like the Valet key in fords in the USA, stops the car being revved over 2500rpm and stops the car from speeding over 40mph. It actually activates a different map in the cars computer to stop valets from thrashing your engine. This would be good for those who claim their kid has to use the family car. Could use card reader I mentioned before instead of special key to activate the "Valet Mode" mapping. Licence progression could be as follows; P1 should have no passengers, drive a car with a power to weight ratio of maximum 70kw/tonne and be used only in the local area. 12 - 18 months duration. P2 should only have 1 passenger and have the same power to weight ration as P1. 2 years duration. Unrestricted should require the driver to pass another driving test conducted by an advanced driving course before giving unrestricted licence. Cost will be covered by bond paid at the beginning of licence and at the end the remainder of the bond is paid back to the now licenced driver. Gives an incentive to the driver to behave themselves, as well as stops them avoiding fines. Finally, the dragstrip is a good idea, give the young fellas something to do instead of play with their Wii Wii's
__________________
If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to power an ants go-cart a half a lap around a Cheerio - Ron Shirley Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#311 | ||
Tickford
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Windsor
Posts: 3,964
|
Blaming the XR6 is a joke, we had a very similar incident where 3 schoolkids were killed in a lowly 4cyl BMW 3 series travelling at 140kmh in a 70 zone.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/youn...-1111117343976 We need to learn from these incidents and look at the causes to aid with prevention: The driver should not have been travelling at that speed. The passengers should have told the driver to slow down. What is a 15 year old doing out at 2am in the morning? RIP to those affected.
__________________
ED XR8 Sprint - 306ci SBF, GT40, Comp XE270, T5, 3.45 LSD AU T3 TS50 - 345ci SBF, AFR 185, Comp XE274, 2800 stall, ESS LE97, 3.45 LSD BA XT SZ Territory TS RWD TDCi |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#312 | |||
Performance Inc.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In a cave
Posts: 2,554
|
The driver did a lot wrong here the passengers also played some part in what went down does anyone think that just maybe modern society where as a kid your actions have no consequence has any part to play in the thinking of some young drivers?
I mean you can do almost anything at school and no one can touch you next day you have your P's and the mentality does not automatically change to being responsible in what you do. Kids are taught by schools at a very young age that parents who discipline you too hard can be held accountable so the kids soon figure they can get away with anything. The older generation whose parents were like mine where if you stepped out of line you got 1 warning then next time you got nailed for it you knew what the consequences were so you had boundaries. I think in the BS society has created for its self by the do gooders by not allowing kids to be held accountable is coming home to roost. Why should someone who has never had to be responsible for anything suddenly be accountable for their actions? I hear some saying when we were young we played up and did similar things in cars and got away with it I dare say a lot more goes on now than 30 years ago and the population and road users has increased to a point where the chances of a major malfunction has increased ten fold not to mention the type of cars we drove were very slow compared to todays vehicles yes they seemed fast but it was relative.
__________________
In The Garage... ![]() FPV Super Pursuit Build no 0080/91 Lotus Exige S/C S240 Kart Hasse Chassis 100J Power Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#313 | |||
Regular Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 58
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#314 | |||
Ich bin ein auslander
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Loving the Endorphine Machine
Posts: 7,453
|
Quote:
I know this is getting a little off topic but your comments do need some attention. For a start, no I do not need a car that is capable of 200km/h on the streets, but I do on the track and I enjoy that. Why should I lose that right because some muppet can not follow laws? Secondly, cops and other emergency services do need cars that can exceed 120, you may need them to have that too. I know the last time I was on a case and had a knife held at me I was glad the cops could exceed 120 getting to me when I placed the distress call. My life depends on that on the odd occasion. Lastly, the post you are quoting above does not suggest everyone can speed safely, stop twisting what he is saying. Emergency services recieve a lot more training, have higher level of skill and have more safety and warning devices than the avergage motorist to allow them to safely exceed the speed limit in situations that it is reasonable to do so. I appologise if my tone is a bit harsh, I do not mean it too but give us all a break, at the moment your comments support the knee jerk government actions that have resulted in more speed cameras, lower speed limits and more strict laws regarding vehicle modifications. We do not need it to be made harder to have motoring fun responsibly.
__________________
Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional! |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#315 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 58
|
Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional!
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#316 | |||
Regular Member
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 489
|
Quote:
Yes mate, keep fearing me ![]() In the meantime do something on that spelling and grammar of yours. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#317 | ||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 665
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#318 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 58
|
I assure you, I will have a much better chance of surviving a car accident in my FG xr6 (on p plates) then your girls in their boxy 4cylinder ricers.
see this type of statement is what its all about .the im great look at me look at me im my new fg xr6 tradie then cruz down the highway speeding with p plates |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#319 | |||
Ich bin ein auslander
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Loving the Endorphine Machine
Posts: 7,453
|
Quote:
What is your point here?
__________________
Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional! |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#320 | ||
Pity the fool
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Wait Awhile
Posts: 8,997
|
I think this thread is done.
__________________
Fords I own or have owned: 1970 XW Falcon GT replica ![]() Proud to buy Australian and support Ford Australia through thick and thin |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#321 | |||
Regular Member
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 489
|
Quote:
![]() Yes I speed down the freeway with p plates, because we all know without a p plate its impossible. Don't blame the machine, blame the user behind it, fearing everyone who drives a 6 cylinder is pretty noob. I'll stop feeding the troll. Agree this threads done. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#322 | |||
Petro-sexual
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 4,527
|
Quote:
I know I wouldnt be pushing 100% if I took my car to the track. Hence I would be less likely to encounter an actual out-of-control moment. This can remove the worry of damage and people are more likely to experience what it is to truly lose control. I dont mean 'doing donuts and swinging a bit wide and clipping a gutter' out of control, I mean something like 'the sudden loss of traction mid corner when it was expected to be fine' out of control. The type that involves a large amount of puckering, and requires a change of jocks afterwards. Could also be fun to have the owners of the impounded car there to watch as Joe Public loses control and puts it into a fence. :evil3: Or as Joe Public #2 is bouncing the engine off the rev limiter cause they dont know how to drive manual properly. (Obviously the cars would need to be fitted with a roll cage and the necessary safety features required by CAMS to protect the drivers) Consequences are only understood when someone actually cares, or has experienced, what the repercussions are. I believe this starts from early childhood where parents do not follow up with proper punishment. If you have never had to deal with loss, psychologically scarring loss, (even your favourite toy as a kid) why should you understand what it is to lose a loved one, or take someones life? If you can imagine in your mind the heart-ache you would feel, to a point where you actually begin to feel nervous butterflies, then you would most likely reconsider that decision. I dont mean to say that this thought process would occur before every choice, thats very very unlikely, but if fear of loss/consequence can be generated in the individual on the topic of road use, then it would modify their driving habits forever. Hopefully the entire friend group affected by this will slow down and be a little more sensible on the roads, but there will no doubt be a certain percentage of them that believe they could drive better than the deceased, so it wont happen to them. Just a few thoughts on the topic. I feel the most for the survivor, I could not even begin to imagine what it would be like to be trapped under 3 dead people, while conscious, when quite possibly her brother was one of them. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#323 | |||
Ich bin ein auslander
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Loving the Endorphine Machine
Posts: 7,453
|
Quote:
I have to say some awesome points here, especially the card readers. The tech is in our cars now to electronically limit car capabilities according to ECU mapping, my flash tuned GT had valet mapping. I see no issue with this on a P platers car. I also have no issue with having to plug my valid open drivers license into the dash so that I can enjoy my FPV or turbo Mini, knowing that someone without a valid license can not enjoy the same. Rep points to you!
__________________
Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional! |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#324 | ||||
Force Fed Fords
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Enroute
Posts: 4,050
|
Quote:
Let's also not get personal. Let's all play nice ![]()
__________________
If brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to power an ants go-cart a half a lap around a Cheerio - Ron Shirley Quote:
|
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#325 | ||||
Regular Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 58
|
Quote:
Yes I speed down the freeway with p plates, because we all know without a p plate its impossible its not what im on but who i am to care for your safety p is for what can you tell me that ?????? and no its not for profesional and here have an icon back |
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#326 | |||
Ich bin ein auslander
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Loving the Endorphine Machine
Posts: 7,453
|
Quote:
You guys will quickly kill a thread that has some good info and points of view, can we give it a rest. Pm sounds like a good place for the remainder of your discussion.
__________________
Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional! |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#327 | |||
Clevo Mafia Inc.
![]() Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 10,496
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#328 | ||
Clevo Mafia Inc.
![]() Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 10,496
|
I'm going to hand out warning points for anymore off topic.
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#329 | ||
The Vengeful One
![]() Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tazzy
Posts: 12,762
|
Come on guys, dont forget the topic of this thread, no need to get yourself warned over something silly
__________________
![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#330 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
|
Guys, this thread was really going well till this arvo, its an extremely worthwhile topic in terms of making a stand and reinforcing good driving standards and the importance of safety, please keep it on topic and lets keep it constructive and non political.
__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars.. ![]() |
||
![]() |