No evidence to suggest lowering the speeding tolerance will do anything but raise rev

[MAD]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Perhaps a human cant control there speed but they can control there brake pedal and keeping a safe distance behind or is that to difficult aswell

Perhaps those being cautious in the right lane should move the **** out of it.

[BadMax]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Perhaps a human cant control there speed but they can control there brake pedal and keeping a safe distance behind or is that to difficult aswell

I can't even take this statement seriously!

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by BadMax

I can't even take this statement seriously!

It's best not to take comments from the pro-speed camera party seriously, it's becoming pretty clear that they're deliberately creating conflict so that all speed camera threads get promptly closed. It takes zero effort to ignore something you disagree with, yet they can't help 'contribute' to the discussion with condescending jabs at anyone who doesn't share their opinion.

[Interceptor]

I found it disturbing to read in the courier mail that the police comissioner was making a big deal about the "average" excess speed dropping since tolerances were lowered.....

****en REALLY Sherlock?

[MAD]

Dont need math skills to dish out speeding fines. Maybe that's why they dropped the % tolerance and went with whole numbers...lol

[cheap]

Queensland is broke.

What's more no one mentions the huge unexpected cost to police to enforce Newman's VLAD (Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Bill 2013).

Today someone got an infringement for leaving their car windows partially open on a stinking hot day.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226793936291

This is crazy and petty stuff. Queensland has it's fair share of problems but the vast majority of Queenslander's are good honest hard working people, who don't want the Police Service behaving like storm troopers (we had that years ago and it didn't end well). The QPS is rapidly losing the respect it worked many years to regain. Taking away discretionary powers away from the courts and giving it to a politician is a very dangerous things.

[noflac52]

This is a perfect example of the system becoming an absolute joke! The solution the officer gave is ludicrous and it is something he wouldn't do himself so how can it be expected that anyone would take him seriously!

So we are now being fined because we are not preventing crime! It gets sillier every day!!

On one hand we are told by the police not to approach anyone committing crime because that's their job and its dangerous and on the other hand we are being fined for something as innocent as leaving your windows down turning us into criminals. What a joke!

Its all about our personal safety blah! blah! blah!

These same governments will send young men and women overseas to far away countries to be killed and maimed because its the right thing to do to look after people in other countries!

Ah the irony of it!

In another country you can be killed for the sake of good will but in your own country your freedoms can be constantly eroded for your personal safety so that you don't get maimed or killed. What an absolute load of crap!

[EVLKNEVL]

There's another potential concern with this widespread draconian style of law enforcement. If you start criminalising reasonable everyday behaviour, huge percentages of people not only lose respect and confidence in the police (govco's handy scapegoat), but they will tend to transmit these attitudes down to their children. The result is that long into the future, even a drastic change back to an honest and reasonable system could not undo all the damage that's already been/being done.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by xxx000

These threads are always anti police/govt or similar with simplistic answers and responses to what is a complex issue

And your responses are always the same old - "goverment and the way police are interpreting laws have to be beyond question"

we have heard it - you can leave those with free will to discuss it without trying to stifle debate with the same "police bashing" retort, it is very old now.

[Paul302351]

On the today show this morning there was a bloke in Queensland who got fined $44 for leaving his divers side window down 50mm from been closed.

apparently you are only allowed 30mm..

WTF is wrong with this country.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Paul302351

On the today show this morning there was a bloke in Queensland who got fined $44 for leaving his divers side window down 50mm from been closed.

apparently you are only allowed 30mm..

WTF is wrong with this country.

A Brisbane father who left his car window open a crack to let the heat out on a hot summer's day has copped a $44 fine for having an unsecured vehicle.




Julian Harris, 21, alleges he left his car window open only "three to four" centimetres when he was visiting family on Sunday in Brisbane's north.

"It was 34 degrees so I left the windows down slightly so it wouldn't be boiling hot for my 3-year-old son when we got back in," Mr Harris told the Courier Mail.

Is this fine fair? What fines have you copped before that were just that little bit rich? Let us know in our comments here.

Or let us know by sending an email to news.feedback@ninemsn.com.au

The father said it was "just what you do with it being so hot in Queensland".

According to a Queensland's road rules, if a driver is more than 3ms from their car it must be secure unless it is attended by someone over the age of 16.

Securing the vehicle includes having the windows up rolled up, but a "gap of 5cm or less is acceptable".

Mr Harris said that the officer informed him that the window was not properly measured by the fining officer who just said he had an "accurate eye".

Queensland Police did not deny that they were currently targeting this particular offence, but a police spokeswoman said that "Vehicle security remains part of ongoing Community Safety and Crime Prevention strategies designed to help reduce property crime".
http://www.preview.news.ninemsn.com.au/?sc_itemid={E26215FD-3BD0-4D8B-A665-B04F39D0B901**&sc_lang=en#gigya

My Comment : In a shopping centre ? maybe ? but in your own yard ??? I am sure we all do it from time to time ??

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by csv8

Mr Harris said that the officer informed him that the window was not properly measured by the fining officer who just said he had an "accurate eye".

I dont know, maybe this particular officer is very familiar with how long 5cm is, and has a chip on his shoulder as a result?

Just joking everyone.

[dragons90]

Website I found, worth a read.

http://www.roadsense.com.au/misleading_data.html

[noflac52]

The roadsense website should finally satisfy oooxxx who constantly asks posters to give evidence of their statements about this subject and who also diligently avoids any challenge I issue to him to provide the same.

The total lack of any above speed data is very telling along with the Queensland study done before the introduction of speed cameras. It negates the argument completely that overseas studies are no use because our conditions are different as it was very professionally done and is very relevant because it focuses on purely Australian conditions.