V6 or I6 Engine - Page 5

Gobes32 · 16-11-2008, 08:34 PM

The best thing for Ford Oz is to be purchased by an asian/indian conglomerate but the odds of this are very slim due to the legalities of using the trademark name etc. Holden are very lucky in this aspect. Ford US are not in the financial shape to maintain their oz operations and you would imagine are more worried about keeping their own heads above water. If another company was to purchase Ford Oz and use it as a base to manufacture large luxury sedans for export as well as local sales then that is still a win. Would be very disappointing to lose the iconic Ford badge lost in Australia.

Road_Warrior · 20-11-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I heard rumours a few weeks back that the straight 6 would continue until 2013 because thats when Ford Australia will cease to exist, and by not switching to a V6 it would save them development money and make it easier to shut the whole place down as one, not engine and casting plant first and then stamping/PD and Broady a few years later. It was only a rumour and could have been BS but to do that they would need a further 3 years added to the emmissions exemption they already have to use the I6 until 2010, and wether they would be allowed to do that I don't know.

That didn't come from any official source, it was just talk, but that doesn't necessarily mean its not true.

Ford Australia and Ford HQ keep talking up FoA's future but the simple fact is that unless Detroit pumps in a whole butt load of cash for an all new Falcon in 2013 it will mean the end. Problem is sales figures for Falcon mean that another $800k-$1m just won't be enough to justify that sort of investment money cause it would take too long to make that money back.

Your prophecy was partially on the money, and this concerns me.

atec77 · 20-11-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

I was talking to some Engineer friends last night and they claim because of the current world finanicial crisis Ford are NOT going ahead with the V6 engine in the Falcon, but are going to keep the current I6 engine.
They swear this is fact because and they are in the know with Ford AU.

Has anyone heard about this or is it just crap?

WWOOHHOOOO

and I just bought a 2002 wagon

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/...2581_news.html

**Fordman1** · 20-11-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Your prophecy was partially on the money, and this concerns me.

Nothing is certain in any industry these days.

My tip is the Falcon will continue until about 2013, and it will then be replaced by a global FWD platform that will have various 'top hats'.

eg: Territory replacement ala Kluger.

This is all conditional on the fact that FoA is still in business of course in 5 years,and can afford / justify the investment. If GM collapse in the US then everthing could go pear-shaped worldwide for Ford & GM very quickly !!!

I'm tipping Focus & 'Mondeo replacement' platform based cars in 2015 and no Falcon as we know it.

**data_mine** · 20-11-2008, 07:15 PM

Good news indeed.

So what will we see.

Direct Injection?
Alloy block?

F6Mont · 21-11-2008, 04:11 PM

WOOHOO!! looks like the I6 is going to be around for a few more years after all.

Might be old news to some...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/19063/fo...elong-to-stay/

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Ford Australia has just held a press conference to announce the company’s Geelong Engine Plant will continue to operate post-2010 producing Ford’s iconic in-line six-cylinder engine.

The plant currently employs 400 people, with the blue oval having already spent over $200 million dollars on the Geelong operation since 2006. An additional $21 million will be spent to keep the plant up to date and also insure new I6 engines comply with stringent Euro IV emissions standards.
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Mr Hardware · 21-11-2008, 05:11 PM

whales = prophet

Matt P · 21-11-2008, 06:31 PM

The I6 4.0 litre will continue beyond 2010 and will be designed to meet euro IV spec.

dom_105 · 21-11-2008, 06:35 PM

R.I.P Falcon V6.

Good news.

geckoGT · 21-11-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dom_105

R.I.P Falcon V6.

Good news.

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Gaz · 22-11-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dom_105

R.I.P Falcon V6.

Good news.

RIH falcon V6 (rot in hell)

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FGX-351 · 22-11-2008, 01:14 AM

Man this is the best news i've heard all week!

Gobes32 · 22-11-2008, 08:57 AM

But remember that the plant will only stay open to produce motors for Falcon and Territory. If both of these cars sales slump any farther, the engine plant will go with it.

RG · 22-11-2008, 10:44 AM

Now here's an interesting question, the F6 will require a power upgrade for the next model and now that the I6 is staying it will be copping that upgrade.

I wonder how far Ford are willing to push the F6 and even the XR6T from factory?

A 300kw+ factory XR6T would be interesting, not too sure what Holden could do there.

Gobes32 · 22-11-2008, 10:57 AM

Its a shame that this country thinks a performance car can only be a v8, I am very excited about how far the motor can be pushed. I would imagine we are getting towards the ceiling now and any power gains after this would require a large amount of re engineering and the hardest part would be justifying the expense.

XESP351 · 23-11-2008, 01:10 AM

That is great news.

But i'm worried about 2013 from what i have reading in this thread.

Still though, long live the I6.

Gobes32 · 23-11-2008, 12:48 PM

Only be worried if the Falcon stops selling. At the current selling rate its hard to justify a new model.

au2sw · 23-11-2008, 12:53 PM

heres another story about the I6 staying on
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/...2581_news.html
not sure if they are the same article or not...but i was stocked to hear this!!

Bad Bird · 23-11-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Its a shame that this country thinks a performance car can only be a v8

I really don't think that is the case at all. The inline 6 is the motor that powered Australia, IMO.

Chilliman · 23-11-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

But remember that the plant will only stay open to produce motors for Falcon and Territory. If both of these cars sales slump any farther, the engine plant will go with it.

I've got an idea - why not replace that boat anchor 4.6 V8 in the CrownVictoria/Mercury Marquis/Lincoln Towncar with the Aussie I6 (At least another 100,000 sales per annum). God knows those things need a freshen-up and our Aussie six trumps the 4.6 both on power (195Kw Vs 178Kw) and torque (391Nm Vs 387Nm)! All while being alot more economical. Given our falling dollar I'll bet it would be cheaper to boot!!!

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Now I wonder if it would fit under the bonnet of the current Mustang..........

Gobes32 · 23-11-2008, 05:05 PM

I wish that could happen but the yanks have a real disdain for our products and there unions have been a stumbling block for years. And lord knows that given America's current state it would be harder than ever to get them to agree to buying an o'seas motor.

simple2873 · 23-11-2008, 06:38 PM

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http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g59/Bossxr8/V6.jpg

Its also nowhere near as good as the I6 is in terms of torque and refinement.

I think pigs will fly before the I6 continues after 2010.

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Looks like our pigs are flyin!! the best news ever for aussie ingenuity

Bossxr8 · 23-11-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by simple2873

Looks like our pigs are flyin!! the best news ever for aussie ingenuity

When you hear rumours on and off again for the past few few months you soon learn to take them with a grain of salt, but from what I can gather come 2013 the switch to V6 will most likely be made if the Falcon continues to exist at all. Either the Global RWD platform or the rebadged Taurus the Falcon may become will more likely than not be engineered to take the V6, not the I6, if either of the programs go ahead.

Gobes32 · 23-11-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

When you hear rumours on and off again for the past few few months you soon learn to take them with a grain of salt, but from what I can gather come 2013 the switch to V6 will most likely be made if the Falcon continues to exist at all. Either the Global RWD platform or the rebadged Taurus the Falcon may become will more likely than not be engineered to take the V6, not the I6, if either of the programs go ahead.

I am personally hoping it's Mondeo, not the Taurus. Falcon has to crash and burn then we need to successfully launch Focus then Mondeo becomes a manufacturing possibility.

StealthAu · 23-11-2008, 11:03 PM

So from my understanding the main reason for the I6 now to be kept alive is due to the current financial situation mainly the drop in the Australian dollar making it a less feasible option to go with the US built V6. So with that being said where will that leave Ford Australia with the US imported Boss V8’s? Is it just as likely now they will be dropping the V8 again within the next couple of years?

Falc'man · 23-11-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by StealthAu

So from my understanding the main reason for the I6 now to be kept alive is due to the current financial situation mainly the drop in the Australian dollar making it a less feasible option to go with the US built V6. So with that being said where will that leave Ford Australia with the US imported Boss V8’s? Is it just as likely now they will be dropping the V8 again within the next couple of years?

The R&D involved to have the FG engineered to pass for a 5 star ANCAP rating with the V6 was also a factor. The FG with V8 requires no further engineering to meet the same. The V8, on good authority, is alive and kicking.

Piotr · 24-11-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by StealthAu

So from my understanding the main reason for the I6 now to be kept alive is due to the current financial situation mainly the drop in the Australian dollar making it a less feasible option to go with the US built V6. So with that being said where will that leave Ford Australia with the US imported Boss V8’s? Is it just as likely now they will be dropping the V8 again within the next couple of years?

Ford don't care what the current exchange rate is. The sole reason is the cash injection from the Government