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20-10-2014, 08:36 PM | #1 | ||
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Hi guys,
Friday afternoon I noticed a Work ute (Colarado/Hilux - not sure which one) had the canopy cover over the back. Nothing so wrong about that until I noticed the small stickers under the windows which read, 'GPS and Mobile device detector' WOW. As we came up to the lights, I also noticed that it had 3 camera's on the rear canopy. Centre top, right and left sides. My guessing here, is the NSW government has given the speed-camera contractors more avenues to gain them money. While I don't agree with driving and texting/talking/holding your phone, there has been no notification about these new mobile, traffic camera's. This occurred on Newcastle Road, Newcastle. I'm sure they are now everywhere. Just thought i'd share what i'd seen. |
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20-10-2014, 08:50 PM | #2 | ||
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Saw the same last Tuesday at Central Coast, ute also had fawn,orange etc patchwork reflective tape along rear and sides. It got pulled over for a random breath test on Wyong Rd. opposite Mingara club .
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20-10-2014, 09:47 PM | #3 | ||
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So whats the idea, they can tell if you are holding a device in your hand. I'd love to know how that works.
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20-10-2014, 10:11 PM | #4 | ||
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So its a new unit to detect motorists who are using their phones while driving. Probably has some sort of receiver in it to detect mobile phone signals which is hooked up to a camera so they actually have physical proof (or not) you were holding your phone up while driving.
How is this being sly? Its been an offence for ages and IMO far more dangerous than speeding.
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20-10-2014, 10:17 PM | #5 | ||
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Camera takes photo of you downloading your rego renewal details = fine. Sorry couldn't help myself !!!
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20-10-2014, 10:19 PM | #6 | ||
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I would like to know how they work, phones constantly send and receive signals I wonder how they would differentiate between the two and whether it's in your center console or hand.
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20-10-2014, 11:15 PM | #7 | ||
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or hands free blue tooth . think one would definitely have cause to fight the offence in court
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20-10-2014, 11:38 PM | #8 | ||
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I think it's more that it takes photos of oncoming traffic within a certain range of the lense (for clarity), that are punching out a gsm/3g/4g signal, which are then manually sorted through until they find images showing someone clearly holding a phone up to their ear. It has to be clear enough that it can't be overturned in court, so there would be some human involvement with checking the images.
I still see so many people still holding phones to their ears whilst driving on the freeway each day - usually their driving is screaming out "pick me" as they wander & slow down. If it was parked on the shoulder on the freeway in peak hour, and took a photo of every car that passed it, they'd pull in quite a few fines - think of how many cars would pass it every minute, and if say 1 in 500 people get caught, that's still a lot of fines over a 3-4 hour period. |
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20-10-2014, 11:44 PM | #9 | ||
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Perhaps they worked out how to automate the cameras they trialled in Victoria that have a 700m range:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227057430715 |
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21-10-2014, 06:09 AM | #10 | ||
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The amount of drivers I see still talking on their mobile phones ( Illegal in NZ ) even though their cars have Bluetooth hands free is staggering, RTFM!!!!
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21-10-2014, 08:54 AM | #11 | ||
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No problem with his at all
Too many deaths and injuries due to phone use whilst driving when there are many ways to avoid it - Bluetooth, hands free, pull over etc If anything provides tangible evidence as opposed to the 'he said' constable plod approach |
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21-10-2014, 09:15 AM | #12 | |||
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Not such a bad idea really. The amount of people I see absentmindedly using a mobile phone or texting whilst driving beggars belief. And they are the ones who are driving erratically and endangering others.
Put simply, if you text whilst driving you're an absolute tool who deserves to lose your license.
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21-10-2014, 10:30 AM | #13 | ||
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I've been trying to find information about this on the RMS website - nothing. Even tried Googling for news articles, but still nothing. Also for what it's worth, Newcastle Rd is not a mobile speed camera location.
It must be testing or something because the NSW Government and the RMS have no information about this and I'm sure for the program to be active they'd need to broadcast some information to the public. Also the "GPS" part is interesting, nothing illegal about using a GPS unless it's causing a distraction and good luck proving that with one camera snapshot. So that's why I think some of this doesn't add up.
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21-10-2014, 10:32 AM | #14 | ||
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Genuine question. Where are the stats that showed the use of a mobile phone as a cause of accidents. I know it happens but I couldn't find any.
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21-10-2014, 11:08 AM | #15 | |||
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21-10-2014, 11:37 AM | #16 | ||
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Which to me is such a small, odd thing to police with cameras.
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21-10-2014, 12:15 PM | #17 | |||
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If they have in fact found a way to do that, then they'd need the camera to complete the chain of evidence to prove you were holding the phone up to your ear or whatever while you were driving.
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21-10-2014, 12:23 PM | #18 | |||
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Even if it saves one life isn't it worth it? Afterall it maybe yours or your family. Not mention all the injuries and accidents for which we all pay for indirectly with increased insurance and taxes. |
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21-10-2014, 12:58 PM | #20 | ||
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It’s funny because a couple of years ago, when driving past a speed camera and noticing another driver talking on their mobile phone, that in Iraq and Afghanistan where IED’s are often triggered by mobile phone, the services were starting to fit these ECM jammer sticks to their vehicles to stymie the mobile phone signals so the IED couldn’t be triggered. There was obviously a way that had been developed to pick up an “active” mobile phone signal, feed it into some sort of system that then interprets that signal as a trigger to take some sort of action.
I thought then that whoever took that system and made it talk to a speed camera system to take pictures of drivers talking on the phone is going to make a lot of money :
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21-10-2014, 01:23 PM | #21 | ||
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Recently cruising along the highway I got a ichy ear drum dealing with that and singing away to my hearts delight, suddenly there a police car sitting behind me... cut a long story short subdued argument (from me) 20 minute search of ute looking for 'said'phone, I had business cards with me finally got em to ring my phone and wife answered 200k away.
I appreciate what they were doing though and we all saw funny side of it.
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21-10-2014, 04:46 PM | #22 | ||
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Assuming, checks active signal
Camera then identifies vehicle and takes photo OR determines if handheld phone being used and if so, if cust using it without handsfree. If so, takes photo I see no dramas to this, it is simply to capture persons using a phone with proof via picture.
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21-10-2014, 05:09 PM | #23 | ||
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My guess is that it wasn't a government vehicle at all. Bet it's a ute that's owned by a company that flogs 'spy' type security and surveillance type equipment.
Either that or it and was set up by some bloke so he can have a laugh at idiot motorists dropping their phones in horror when they think they've somehow been detected yapping on the phone! |
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21-10-2014, 06:04 PM | #24 | ||
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Either way, I sent an email to the RMS asking if it was their vehicle and asked for an explanation on what it actually does. I'll post a reply if I receive one.
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21-10-2014, 06:37 PM | #25 | |||
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Im glad they fine people on phones, its plain dangerous, ive lost count how many times i seen people risk everyone's lives including theirs. Im sick of peoples carelessness / plain dumb ways. A female i know is in debt of over 100k because of texting, written her alfa romeo off as well as an expensive merc, she is thankful to be alive and with out a scratch! Not worth it, pull over and stop to answer / call or text someone.
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21-10-2014, 07:01 PM | #26 | ||
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I put mine on silent and slap it in the console. Out of sight out of mind. If anyone needs to contact me, they gonna wait till I stop driving.....like we used to pre- 1996. And if its an emergency, call 000.
But if I had 8 kids, all with better phones than me, or ran a business, I`d use hands-free. |
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21-10-2014, 07:56 PM | #27 | ||
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There are heaps of really good apps out there for Android phones, here's a few I have tried and they work well:
Firstly Motorola have auto answer on headset (which it determines as either bluetooth or hard wired) my phone automatically answers the call after 2 rings without any intervention. Smart Actions by Motorola, you can prevent your phone from answering a call if it detects it is moving faster than a certain speed (monitored via GPS) but you can add exceptions such as your wife and kids will always get through if they call. Automateit Pro, this app will do just about anything you want automatically with your phone. Interestingly the USA is even moving away from hands free bluetooth in cars and even going to the extent where once the ignition is started it jamms the GSM signal, even talking over hands free has now been proven to distract drivers from basic driving tasks. And I reckon they are right, drive in peak hour traffic and get someone to have an in depth conversation with you and it doesn't take long before you have to halt your conversation just to concentrate on the tasks at hand.
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21-10-2014, 10:05 PM | #28 | ||
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Nearly ran over a pedestrian texting on phone with earphones on, walked straight out in front of me crossing against the walk man.
Some people cant do 2 things at once..... |
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21-10-2014, 10:27 PM | #29 | ||
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theres been holden rodeo and other similar cars as mobile speed camersa in melbourne for over 10 years first was a light blue on then there was a burgundy one aswell and been around ever since the mount the flash where the driving lights go
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22-10-2014, 07:59 AM | #30 | |||
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If you drive around certain areas of Sydney there's quite a number of people using oversize GPS units - some of them are almost size of an Ipad, stuck on a screen mount, as well as a large phone like a Samsung S3/S4 on another mount. Add the dangling crap off the mirror, and their vision is as good as using a periscope. I'm all for it. |
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