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In the world of small engines and EVs, it’s always surprising to read of brand new massive engines. The word is that Ford is going to make a new 6.8L V8 at the Windsor plant starting in 2022 for the F150 and Mustang. It seems to be credible to me. Watch the YouTube video.
https://drivetribe.com/p/ford-makes-...Q5mM-MCZD3duzA https://youtu.be/Fxit9kh2M7k |
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Was confirmed over a month ago by Jerry Dias as part of the Ford - UNIFOR Canadian contract.
The engine has great potential, the dimensions are only slightly bigger than a GM LS engine and around 4 1/2" narrower than a coyote, perfect for that Falcon or Ranger project? |
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Now we know why they cancelled the V8 Raptor project until the 6.8 Big Block becomes available.
Imagine if they had the balls to do a Tesla and start taking deposits.
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Although the V8 is on borrowed time like the manual transmission, and even though I accept the future is going to be different, let's enjoy while we can.
There will be plenty around here for a while yet even if both are getting a bit expensive to pickup second hand ![]() |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VIJEQDtRk (Part2 is there too) Brian Wolfe with his drag program https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHTXBRRzo-s Also, Palm Beach Dyno has plug and play piggyback CPU's to run these badboys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuGFaNmSq0 Lets see how they go before making comments. |
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This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. The 7.3 sold itself on the idea of being a heavy duty engine. A 6.8 is not much different, so it still makes sense for F150 but to also stick it in Mustang seems to be a complete 180 in corporate thinking.
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Engines have a Gross Combined Weight Rating that you don’t find published. The 7.3 isn’t just marketed as a heavy duty engine, it is a heavy duty engine. If they make an alloy 6.8 for the F150 and Mustang, it will give up a lot of the 7.3’s capability. It would be easy for Ford to produce and probably costs less to manufacture than the Coyote.
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Why not just use the 7.3 and change the camshaft, it would be even cheaper
![]() I'm looking forward to 7.3L V8 Fiesta ST! Mount it transverse and put it in the boot. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 03-11-2020 at 09:40 AM. |
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I’m sure when we get some sort of explanation, it will be sold as being more advantageous to the consumer, when I’m sure there were other reasons behind it. Either way, 6.8-7.3, it will be amazing. There better be a Fiesta ST Cobra Boss 445 GTHO Phase VIII, or I’m never buying a Ford again! |
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The simple answer is a shorter throw 3.74" crank like the 6?2 Boss goes into the 6.8 V8
to make it a more rev friendly engine that makes an easy atmo 500 HP/500 lb ft without direct injection....... |
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It wouldn't be a bad idea to park something to one side for a future project. Hypothetically speaking. I know it is different in each state, but would a BA XR8 conversion be possible, as in the increase in engine size to 6.8 from 5.0. Is that sort of difference legal?
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NA Capacity (cc) = Weight (Kg) X 5 But that might change with much later vehicles? |
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Does it have to meet 2020 emissions regulations? Serious problem there. |
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Would be like swapping a 7L LS into an 99-06 V8 commodore. |
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I would have thought that in the case of replacing an Engine from 2004 with one from 2022 that there wouldn't be an emission problem.
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You'd likely need to go for an emissions test as part of engineering, then probably subsequently fail it if they're testing to the current ADR 79/04 which is based on Euro V. The emissions test is about $1300 per run at Kangan Institute Docklands which has an automotive emissions lab, I was curious about the difference between batch and sequential injection on the Lebonator and they wanted just under $1300 per run, which goes for about 5 minutes, so I thought it wasn't worth $2600 for curiosity sake ![]() It's expensive in VIC but it seems significantly cheaper in NSW for some reason, maybe government ran? I'm curious as how they determine what emissions regulations the car has to meet, if it's 2004 then no worries, if it's based on the date of manufacture on the engine than you're ****ed, you won't get it through unless there's a Ford controls package to go with it that includes a map meeting Euro V regulations (unlikely) Has anyone here had a crate engine put in and engineered before in a project car? How did they determine the emissions regulations it had to meet? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 04-11-2020 at 12:59 AM. |
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The FRPP control pack is also in the works. https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...-crate-engine/ While this announcement isn’t exactly a new one, as we reported the availability of the 7.3-liter Godzilla a few months back, we’re now able to bring you more information than just what is on the Ford Performance website, thanks to Mike Goodwin, product manager for Ford Performance Parts, engines, drivetrain, and calibrations. We know that the engine displaces 445 cubic inches thanks to its 4.220-inch bore and 3.976-inch stroke and that the heads flow incredibly well in stock form, thanks to the large ports and 2.170-inch intake and 1.674-inch exhaust valves, and that it makes 430 horsepower and 475 lb-ft of torque. While the peak lift of the cam is known to be .538 inch on the intake side and .600 on the exhaust, we were able to garner the rest of the cam specs as well — the first time they’ve been released publicly, as far as we know. The advertised duration is 297 degrees on the intake lobe and 293 degrees on the exhaust, with a 120.5-degree lobe separation angle and a 109-degree intake centerline. While the current crate engine offering is straight off the assembly line from the Windsor plant, we are crossing our fingers that will change in the future. “Drivability development is underway,” says Goodwin of the control pack currently being developed for the engine. It’s built for the engine swap customer, currently.” To that end, We were curious if the current crate engine varied from the production piece at all. “We get them from the Windsor engine plant, bolt them to a shipping cradle, crate them up and ship them out,” explains Goodwin. When we asked about the potential for a more performance-oriented version in the future, we just got a knowing smile and were told that pretty much since the inception of the return of the cam-in-block engine to the Blue Oval lineup, Ford Performance Parts has been interested in selling a crate engine version. With the current crate engine currently shipping, we’re very interested to see what the aftermarket and Ford Performance comes up with in the coming months. |
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Doubt it would be an issue for a newer engine, considering it would be cleaner than the engine it replaces. |
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