Petition against changes to Modified Vehicle laws in NSW

[The Yeti]

The NSW RTA is proposing changes to the current registration system for modified vehicles. These changes will mean that the majority of modified vehicles will be classified as individually constructed and will have to comply with the ADR's current on the day that it goes for registration. Please follow the link below and sign the petition to assist us in taking the fight to the NSW Transport Minister.

http://www.gopetition.com/online/37707.html

[MAD]

Signed. Hopefully some 'legitimate' parties will get behind this or we are stuffed.

As soon as people want to modify their cars they are seen as public enemy #1 and there is absolutely no other reason to modify your car than to street race and kill children and pets.

In today's climate of "speeding drivers are our biggest killers", it is near on impossible for us to be seen in any other light than above.

[GTJOHN]

Signed also ..
Hopefully this Farce is put to bed really quicklly

[388cube_edxr8]

Signed. This is a joke.

Anyone who is a member of any other motoring forums should post the link there as well. It's only a matter of time before Adolf Bligh's clinical lunacy brings similar legislation to Qld. We need to squash this bug before it can breed.

Thank you, Yeti, for bringing this to our attention.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

. It's only a matter of time before Adolf Bligh's clinical lunacy brings similar legislation to Qld.

Adolf
you kill me

[Fev]

Signed and spread around on facebook.

[DJM83]

Signed, but unfortunatly we are a minority group so i cannot see much happeneing from this

[geckoGT]

Signed also.

Laws should target those that irresponsibly modify vehicles and drive in the same manner.

Not those that modify them responsibly and drive responsibly as well.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Signed also.

Laws should target those that irresponsibly modify vehicles and drive in the same manner.

Not those that modify them responsibly and drive responsibly as well.

And how is this different for the P plate night rules that you so strongly support?

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by flappist

And how is this different for the P plate night rules that you so strongly support?

Oh yeah, I forgot that the two subjects are so closely related.

Think about it, in this case I refer to people that modify their cars within the law, in the other thread it is management of a high risk group according to previous illegal behaviour, surely even you can see that.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Oh yeah, I forgot that the two subjects are so closely related.

Think about it, in this case I refer to people that modify their cars within the law, in the other thread it is management of a high risk group according to previous illegal behaviour, surely even you can see that.

Yes this is the whole point I am trying to make.

Too many times people just jump on a band wagon and slam a group (usually one of which they are not a member).

The night P plate law while being a good idea for some is a bad idea for others, the point of fairness being that a person who works at night is discriminated against over a person who works during the day.

This law will stop a whole range of dangerous unroadworthy death traps from being registered with a small side effect of a few genuine enthusiasts being disadvantaged.

It really hurts more when YOU are the ones affected doesn't it?

We are our own worst enemies. We sit back and pontificate as more and more freedoms are taken just so long as it does not directly affect US then scream all of a sudden when it does.

I would really like someone to explain in terms that a "non car enthusiast" (aka the majority of drivers) would believe how fitting a V8 to an old car originally fitted with a 6 or modifying a 2 year old FPV to 400 rwkw is actually making it safer?

Looks like this time the persecuted minority group is not P platers or 4WD drivers or whomever. Not fun eh......

Maybe some of you will look at the bigger picture next time before joining the lynch mob.

P.S. I think this it is a silly law and have also signed the petition.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes this is the whole point I am trying to make.

Too many times people just jump on a band wagon and slam a group (usually one of which they are not a member).

The night P plate law while being a good idea for some is a bad idea for others, the point of fairness being that a person who works at night is discriminated against over a person who works during the day.

This law will stop a whole range of dangerous unroadworthy death traps from being registered with a small side effect of a few genuine enthusiasts being disadvantaged.

It really hurts more when YOU are the ones affected doesn't it?

We are our own worst enemies. We sit back and pontificate as more and more freedoms are taken just so long as it does not directly affect US then scream all of a sudden when it does.

I would really like someone to explain in terms that a "non car enthusiast" (aka the majority of drivers) would believe how fitting a V8 to an old car originally fitted with a 6 or modifying a 2 year old FPV to 400 rwkw is actually making it safer?

Looks like this time the persecuted minority group is not P platers or 4WD drivers or whomever. Not fun eh......

Maybe some of you will look at the bigger picture next time before joining the lynch mob.

P.S. I think this it is a silly law and have also signed the petition.

Flappist, I am disappointed that you have bought a different topic into this thread, I expected better from you and his is clearly you just wanting to pick a fight.

The rest of your comment I will address in the appropriate thread and keep this on on topic.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes this is the whole point I am trying to make.

Too many times people just jump on a band wagon and slam a group (usually one of which they are not a member).

The night P plate law while being a good idea for some is a bad idea for others, the point of fairness being that a person who works at night is discriminated against over a person who works during the day.

This law will stop a whole range of dangerous unroadworthy death traps from being registered with a small side effect of a few genuine enthusiasts being disadvantaged.

It really hurts more when YOU are the ones affected doesn't it?

We are our own worst enemies. We sit back and pontificate as more and more freedoms are taken just so long as it does not directly affect US then scream all of a sudden when it does.

I would really like someone to explain in terms that a "non car enthusiast" (aka the majority of drivers) would believe how fitting a V8 to an old car originally fitted with a 6 or modifying a 2 year old FPV to 400 rwkw is actually making it safer?

Looks like this time the persecuted minority group is not P platers or 4WD drivers or whomever. Not fun eh......

Maybe some of you will look at the bigger picture next time before joining the lynch mob.

P.S. I think this it is a silly law and have also signed the petition.

I see what you're saying and I have to agree with you.
The problem is that applying a blanket ban on something to target only a few ends up hurting many others. One by one we are allowing our liberties and freedoms to be eroded to satisfy the fringe lobbyists like Harold Scruby, and as a fairly apathetic society no one does anything about it. Then through legislation the government only meets scant resistance so feels vindicated. Whilst petitions are often ignored, Governments only take notice when the media focuses on them so you'll need a protest to make that happen. Problem with that is, these things are hard to organise and often descend into chaos. So, we sit back and allow it to happen, and on and on it goes.

I have signed it but must admit, I was fairly open minded and supportive of bans on P platers late at night. The dumb thing is however, most of the problem P plate drivers would simply remove their P plates; I suppose that escaped the attention of the NSW transport minister John Hazadikinizass.

Meanwhile speaking of dumb legislation, did anyone else read about the old woman busted for hoon offences after leaving her secret female lover? It made all the papers; "Granny Hoon speeds for secret Poon" or something like that. They say love is blind and in her case, I hope her younger lover is.

[|||]

signed. i am confused what you mean by date of registration. are you saying (say) an XY will have to have to comply with 2010 laws if it is modified but 1971 laws if it is stock?

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by |||

signed. i am confused what you mean by date of registration. are you saying (say) an XY will have to have to comply with 2010 laws if it is modified but 1971 laws if it is stock?

That is exactly what it means in my interpretation.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by |||

signed. i am confused what you mean by date of registration. are you saying (say) an XY will have to have to comply with 2010 laws if it is modified but 1971 laws if it is stock?

Originally Posted by geckoGT

That is exactly what it means in my interpretation.

exactly, so when you go to get it re registered with what ever mods say an RRS steering pack and an injected Windsor it MUST then comply with the ADR's of the date of the first rego since its been oficialy modified

I think all modified cars should put safety first but this is taking things to far, if you guys could post it on other forums you frequent and perhaps as your facebook status it will give the protest a huge circulation and hopfuly will help the casue

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by |||

signed. i am confused what you mean by date of registration. are you saying (say) an XY will have to have to comply with 2010 laws if it is modified but 1971 laws if it is stock?

Originally Posted by geckoGT

That is exactly what it means in my interpretation.

exactly, so when you go to get it re registered with what ever mods say an RRS steering pack and an injected Windsor it MUST then comply with the ADR's of the date of the first rego since its been oficialy modified

I think all modified cars should put safety first but this is taking things to far, if you guys could post it on other forums you frequent and perhaps as your facebook status it will give the protest a huge circulation and hopfuly will help the casue

As it currently stands legaly modified vehicels dont even rate a percentage point in the accedent statistics, so what is going to be gaiend by this?

there are already laws inplace to get illegaly modified vehicels off the road so why not police these rather than make it harder for modified vehicels to get registration, surly this will only lead to more illegal modifications

[mrbaxr6t]

signed

[MAD]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

there are already laws inplace to get illegaly modified vehicels off the road so why not police these rather than make it harder for modified vehicels to get registration, surly this will only lead to more illegal modifications

This was basically the key point I kept trying to bring up regarding the suspension modification rule changes that were attempted last year.

If people flout the current laws, what will more laws change other than make it harder for the legitimate person trying to enjoy his/her vehicle.

[TheInterceptor]

Signed

[El Venom]

I signed. What are they going to class as modifications? Is a Landcruiser with bigger tires, aftermarket bars, heavy duty suspension and added lights going to classed as modified even if all the mods fit within current rules? What about a Mitsubishi lancer with evo parts or something like an EB running an AU 4.0L? This is just another grab for cash and by doing that is more likely going to force people to do things illegally and unsafely just so they can save some cash

[FPV+fteT3]

Done! Just let the current system of engineers decide if the mod is safe or not if the engineers are not sure they will play it safe and advise what you should do. A pen pusher at the RTA would know SFA about vehicle engineering and what is safe.

[ltd]

Signed too, but I wouldn't mind seeing less of "Habibz Kustomz" on the road with the psssshhhhh and the doof doof.

[aussie muscle]

Does anyone have any specifics on the new laws? i search the web, but nothing but this petition comes up that is current.

[rag top]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

Does anyone have any specifics on the new laws? i search the web, but nothing but this petition comes up that is current.

seconded; wonder if it is a scam???

[galaxy xr8]

Done my part aswell, hopefully common sense will prevail.

[388cube_edxr8]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Done my part aswell, hopefully uncommon sense will prevail.

Fixed. We are dealing with an arm of the Australian Government remember.

[JK EX CHASER]

Signed.Most mods is to improve the vehicle.What would they think of next.That's right they did think and got more speed cameras and the road are terrible to drive on,no wonder people a buying 4 wheel drives so they can drive on the roads that are full of holes.

[Nikked]

signed

[Nikked]

I hope Op doesn't mind, as i copeied and pasted this onto Boostcrusing....