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View Poll Results: Do you think government(s) should bring in incentives to buy OZ | |||
Yes, they should encourage people to support local jobs and industry |
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120 | 85.11% |
No, the local car makers get enough help - they should adapt to the market |
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21 | 14.89% |
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With the local market having a 5% tariff (one of the lowest for a car producing nation) and having to compete with other countries low environmental, OH&S and wage standards as well as competing with countries which send cars here but put heavy restrictions on Australian-made cars in return. Would people want to see a government incentive to buy Australian? Or do you think that competing with low-cost countries is the price to pay for being in the market and that the locals get enough help?
Im thinking reduced or free registration on Australian-made cars, maybe an Australian car rebate. Maybe business tax deduction incentives (this would dramatically change the fleet scene, making the locals a lot more attractive overnight - think Falcon ute). Even if financially it doesnt make a big difference to most buyers, just the program's exposure to the community would make people consider an Australian-made car or at least bring it into consideration when car shopping. |
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Too many arguments on what would be classed as 'Australian Made' as opposed to 'Australian Assembled'...
Fair point to discuss - but I don't think that Australian Made is the main reason for the purchase of a vehicle - and I doubt that if there was a drop in price (unless it was considerable) or a hike in the tax deduction, that it would make a HUGE difference in the sales figures.... But - I'm open to arguments...
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I think the government could quickly devise a list of eligible vehicles, or give it a simple definition such as: 'the country in which the engine is installed into the body or chassis, is the country of origin for Oz-Car tax rebate purposes'.
I can see an incentive program help vehicles like the Territory where all other SUVs are imported. I wonder if there is World Trade Organisation implications when one country encourages or incentivises a particular country's products over another..? |
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What if vehicles that are purchased which are compliant with emissions schemes allow customers to pay a reduced rego fee? Say like a emission compliant Falcon could be classed as a 4 cylinder car? This would work in QLD, but I'm not sure of the registration process in other states.
It benefits both manufacturer and consumer, where manufacturer develops/implements improved economy tech and consumer gets lower ongoing costs. |
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STILL, usa subsidises their industry, i don't know why we don't do the same. some of aust govt have pursued free-trade at all costs, and we're now trading at a loss on most of those FTAs. ![]()
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Here's an incentive. The privilege of living in this great country.
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I fully support policies which support local industry. I am against so called world free trade because if we wish to maintain our high standard of living in the current climate we cannot compete with countries such as China which have cheap labor costs. Workers in most Chinese factories get paid around $1.70 AU a day.
Bring back Tariffs. We can afford to do this as we are sitting on a gold mine of minerals which the world wants.
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A true "Level Playing Field" would have Tarrifs to match the Country the Car comes from. Say Country "A" wants to sell a Car in Australia. If Country "A" has a 25% Tarrif on Cars imported there and Australia want to sell a Car in Country "A", the same should happen to a Car sold in Australia from Country "A":- a 25% Tarrif. That is a "Level Playing Field", anything less is bending over and taking one for the Team.
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![]() I will & have always tried to buy Australian vehicles even if at times others may be cheaper or better built as I am a proud Australian & feel it is good for our country. Besides the fact my Dad was a Ford lover & so am I lol For other people who are just as happy buying chinese or korean vehicles yes some incentive would be a good move. |
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ive own a e2 maloo. vz calais and a 09 wrx. i was a bit teary when i bought the wrx i always have bought aussie cars but i just wanted a wrx. i felt preety unpatriotic for a few weeks after the day i bought it. still havent really got over it yet.
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I try to support Aussie manufacturing - I drive an aussie made car, have an Australain made fridge, and most of my furniture is Australian made. I think one of the things that helped Australia through the recent difficult economic times is that our unemployment didn't reach double digits (or even anywhere near it) like what happened in Europe and the USA.
I also beleive that governments impose certain taxes/legislation that adds cost to our local manufacturers and as such they should offer some assistance to at least offset some of these costs.
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Nope. I'll be buying an Australian built car next for myself anyway.
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I don't think we should bring back tariffs on imports however the government should support local manufactures to a greater extent. I like the idea of cheaper registration on local produced vehicles. Its a real world idea that would make buying Australia made more inviting.
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Let me give you an example of what happened to our company.
We invested 20m in a fully automated wool pack manufacturing setup. We did our homework, saw what the market was charging for wool packs, etc. It was bouncing between 12 and 14 au dollars per bag. We thought we could grab a nice share of the market but selling a better made product for a dollar or 2 less. all is good so far. Next thing we know, the Chinese bags which were on the cheaper side at 12 dollars are now selling for $7.50. This is way below cost for anybody. And they left it like that for over 12 months. It killed us. We couldn't compete. We shut shop. Our directors approached politicians to let them know that price dumping is happening from the Chinese illegally to kill off the Australian made product. They didn't want to know about it. We found out by other sources that this particular polly get a couple of free first class trips to China for his whole family every year. So basically, the Chinese govt subsidise one of their own to kill off any competition and as soon as that happens, the price for wool packs goes back up to 12 dollars. Anyway, this australian company (since 1934) liquidated last year. If this is how our own govt will treat us, what makes you think they are even interested in local manufacture. they would prefer that we manufacture overseas, and make plenty of profit, so the govt can take their slice.
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I've always thought we shouldn't need incentives to buy oz-made products(especially cars) but I guess if Joe Average thinks a refrigerator on wheels camry or similar fits the bill better than a falcon or commodore, well...he will buy it and that's that.
I will always support our industry regardless of incentive or reward, reward for me is the warm fuzzy I get knowing that I helped keep jobs in oz a bit longer.
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Good on you for wanting to support our workers. They are also exported (Camrys) in far greater numbers than the American manufacturer's cars that are made here, so the Arabs are supporting Aussie manufacture too. It's interesting how the media, Ford, Holden and Toyota gathered to help eat their own industry with all the hype that surrounded Mitsubishi three or four years ago. Adelaide made, good quality, but who would buy one with the Media and the other manufacturers constantly harping on about whether Mitsu would stay in Australia long term? How many components manufacturerers took a hit on that? Those lost sales most likely didn't go to Camrys, Commodores or Falcons. 3 years ago I wanted an Aussie made car, and now own a 100% Australian made Mitsu Verada AWD (driveline's imported but not much else - prob got more Aussie bits in it than a VE). Damn good quality car and way better than the Commos and Falcs I spent 12 years driving as a sales rep. All of these companies will look at their Australian made vehicles from a global perspective. They don't give a damn about employment or local componentry. Detroit or Tokyo will look at financial viablily regardless of how many Falcons, Camrys or Commodores are sold, and if the numbers don't add up, they are gone.
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+1 for cheaper rego. $100 a year.
Also, a 5% cash back from the government on purchase of a new Aussie built car. It's not raising tarrifs, but certainly gives a real incentive to buy the locally made product. Perhaps doing this, might negate the need to prop up companies every 5 years or so. GK
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Considering what a Ford territory costs compared to a BMW x5...let alone a BMW x1!!! i dont think i need anymore incentive.
Especially when there are runout models, the deals on territory and xr6 sedans are literally too good to be true. ![]()
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Why do we support these countries that treat there workers the way they do. and their environmental abuse.
We would not get away with it hear, so why should they! Not fair prickly pear. I for one feel ashamed to buy anything from such schmucks. their type should be taxed more. It's just capitalism gone mad. "no morals". and it will come back to bite us. ![]() |
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The popular vote is right where I thought it would be.
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Koreans have the same wage as an Aussie worker, its the extra's that come along with a worker (if we are talking about OZ) where it becomes cheaper.
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I will buy Australian for a few reasons .... 1. If it is a quality I require for the price ....... actually thats about it! If there is a better product I will buy it, even if it is slightly more expensive ..... where it is made usually doesn't come into it. I drive Fords because of the reason above. If an Australian product wants to woo me, then it only has to meet the above conditions. Imagine what the cost of a locally produced car would be if every piece was made locally ...... there would be outrage if an XT Falcon was $85,000 when the rest of the world can buy an XF jag for less. Good bye car industry and all the other associated industries with it.
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Unfortunately these days I think we need incentives to get people back into Australian cars (as well as supporting Camrys etc that are atleast assembled here) - something simple like cheaper rego might go a long way..
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Its a difficult subject, being a 1st world country, we want a wage relevant to our economic status. However 3rd world workers are happy to simply have a job, Incentives are all good, however as the hip pocket tightens due to idiotic increases in living costs, the cheaper alternative is often the only option to make ends meet. Sad but true.
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Honestly, I want value for money. If that be Australian, American, European, Japanese or Korean. The best bang for your buck that you can afford is what most want. I am sure everyone would want a Veyron if they could afford it.
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