Vfacts august 2021

[DFB FGXR6]

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-2021-detailed

Brands-
1. Toyota (Up 60.3%)
2. Mazda (Up 10.5%)
3. Kia (Up 12%)
4. Ford (Up 29.8%)
5. Hyundai (Up 10.9%)

Models-
1. Hilux (Up 267.3%)
2. Ranger (Up 34.9%)
3. Corolla (Up 143%)
4. Rav4 (Down 34.3%)
5. Prado (Up 452.8%)


Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape 12
Ford Everest 724
Ford Fiesta 23
Ford Focus 17
Ford Mondeo 0
Ford Mustang 45
Ford Puma 131
Ford Ranger 4X2 350
Ford Ranger 4X4 3,609
Ford Transit Bus 16
Ford Transit Custom 98
Ford Transit Heavy 33
Ford Total 5,058

[Rob 351]

Nissan Patrol 506. That would have to be there best numbers for a while presumably because there are no Cruisers atm.
Ranger 4x4 still king but Mustang only 45.

[Franco Cozzo]

Why does Tesla refuse to provide sales information?

[ozrunner]

Because they're embarrassing

I don't know why these figures cannot be obtained from the respective State DOT's as they could provide all actual registrations per month.

[GO FURTHER]

Big fall in Mustang sales;

May - 441

June - 437

July - 142

Aug - 45

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Big fall in Mustang sales;

May - 441

June - 437

July - 142

Aug - 45

Production shutdown.



Same as poor old Escape / Focus.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why does Tesla refuse to provide sales information?

Answer(this comes from Mike Costello,motoring journalist)Tesla considers automotive media to be largely beneath it.It barely does any PR, of any sort,think it’s approach is reflective of its leader.Even the EV council cannot get any data.Tesla always says it’s policy is not to share regional sales unless forced.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-2021-detailed

Brands-
1. Toyota (Up 60.3%)
2. Mazda (Up 10.5%)
3. Kia (Up 12%)
4. Ford (Up 29.8%)
5. Hyundai (Up 10.9%)

Models-
1. Hilux (Up 267.3%)
2. Ranger (Up 34.9%)
3. Corolla (Up 143%)
4. Rav4 (Down 34.3%)
5. Prado (Up 452.8%)


Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape 12
Ford Everest 724
Ford Fiesta 23
Ford Focus 17
Ford Mondeo 0
Ford Mustang 45
Ford Puma 131
Ford Ranger 4X2 350
Ford Ranger 4X4 3,609
Ford Transit Bus 16
Ford Transit Custom 98
Ford Transit Heavy 33
Ford Total 5,058

Take the Ranger out of the equation,what do you have?A car company haemorrhaging.

[frankie86]

Originally Posted by hackney

Take the Ranger out of the equation,what do you have?A car company haemorrhaging.

Cool story bro, needs more dragons

[hackney]

Originally Posted by frankie86

Cool story bro, needs more dragons

But,it is absolutely correct.Ranger is the only thing keeping them alive.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by hackney

Take the Ranger out of the equation,what do you have?A car company haemorrhaging.

Yes but the question for mine is, why are they able to source enough semi conductors to keep Ranger/Everest flowing?
The answer is obvious, they screw the most profit from customers on the cheap to produce Thai built product.

The wait for those loyal Escape/Focus etc. etc. Customers is because they didn't spend enough but they'll tell you its because of pandemic related shut-downs in specific regions.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yes but the question for mine is, why are they able to source enough semi conductors to keep Ranger/Everest flowing?
The answer is obvious, they screw the most profit from customers on the cheap to produce Thai built product.

The wait for those loyal Escape/Focus etc. etc. Customers is because they didn't spend enough but they'll tell you its because of pandemic related shut-downs in specific regions.

Semi conductor shortages is hitting Ford pretty hard in their Euro sourced vehicles.Everyone is being affected.Some dealers are refusing to take orders.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yes but the question for mine is, why are they able to source enough semi conductors to keep Ranger/Everest flowing?
The answer is obvious, they screw the most profit from customers on the cheap to produce Thai built product.

The wait for those loyal Escape/Focus etc. etc. Customers is because they didn't spend enough but they'll tell you its because of pandemic related shut-downs in specific regions.

Errr. maybe the Thais factory's haven't had as many days shut down as well so you keep the parts that are available going to the plants that are open...and we are one of those that couldn't afford to spend more on a Ranger so we ordered an Escape....
Using your argument then why doesn't Ford ship every available component to the US so they can build every possible F Series which is where they make the most profit globally...

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Errr. maybe the Thais factory's haven't had as many days shut down as well so you keep the parts that are available going to the plants that are open...and we are one of those that couldn't afford to spend more on a Ranger so we ordered an Escape....
Using your argument then why doesn't Ford ship every available component to the US so they can build every possible F Series which is where they make the most profit globally...

The trouble is,they are building these trucks,but cannot ship them to dealers/owners.Sitting in paddocks awaiting semi conductors.Literally hundreds of them.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

The trouble is,they are building these trucks,but cannot ship them to dealers/owners.Sitting in paddocks awaiting semi conductors.Literally hundreds of them.

Those are being cleared as we speak, plant crews are going to the nearby
holding yards and completing the chip install in infotainment units.
Last count, there were 45,000 F Series to be completed and something like 11,000
we’re done last month with all expected to be completed by November.

Ford sold 57k F Series in August, that was with a couple of the plants barely running
so yeah, they’re hurting and that’s good because it’s the only corporates learn…

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yes but the question for mine is, why are they able to source enough semi conductors to keep Ranger/Everest flowing?
The answer is obvious, they screw the most profit from customers on the cheap to produce Thai built product.

The wait for those loyal Escape/Focus etc. etc. Customers is because they didn't spend enough but they'll tell you its because of pandemic related shut-downs in specific regions.

Ford is deliberately prioritising its high profit vehicles, Europe has barely
if anywhere near enough chips for its own production let alone exports.

Just saw Ford US sales figures for August, 125k with F Series making up 57k of that.
Average transaction price for Ford trucks and SUVs is current US$50,800,
Lincoln average transaction price is currently US$58,900.

There’s no doubt that the same strategy is being applied to Ford Australia sales,
in an absolute clusterfk, the best you can do is maximise profit on limited resources.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford is deliberately prioritising its high profit vehicles, Europe has barely
if anywhere near enough chips for its own production let alone exports.

Just saw Ford US sales figures for August, 125k with F Series making up 57k of that.
Average transaction price for Ford trucks and SUVs is current US$50,800,
Lincoln average transaction price is currently US$58,900.

There’s no doubt that the same strategy is being applied to Ford Australia sales,
in an absolute clusterfk, the best you can do is maximise profit on limited resources.

It makes complete sense from a business perspective, but if i was a loyal customer and had handed over my hard earned id be questioning that loyalty when priority is given to higher margin product whilst my build again gets delayed.
They all do it though.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

It makes complete sense from a business perspective, but if i was a loyal customer and had handed over my hard earned id be questioning that loyalty when priority is given to higher margin product whilst my build again gets delayed.
They all do it though.

Of course and not denying what you said, Ford has very few choices here
and if certain vehicles are unobtainable until we’ll into next year, that fact
will certainly colour a lot of buyers decisions going forward.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

Take the Ranger out of the equation,what do you have?A car company haemorrhaging.

But you can’t, it’s Ford’ s most popular vehicle and the best in its class (even though it’s at the end of its life cycle).

It’s a mute point.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

But you can’t, it’s Ford’ s most popular vehicle and the best in its class (even though it’s at the end of its life cycle).

It’s a mute point.

Yes,totally agree,just making an observation.It is very lucky they have it in their lineup.You can bet when it was being developed,they did not see Ford leaving.They ‘dodged’ a bullet there.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

Yes,totally agree,just making an observation.It is very lucky they have it in their lineup.You can bet when it was being developed,they did not see Ford leaving.They ‘dodged’ a bullet there.

No it’s not “very lucky”, it has taken a lot of hard work to design and develop a global Product in Australia that is best in class.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

No it’s not “very lucky”, it has taken a lot of hard work to design and develop a global Product in Australia that is best in class.

You missing what I am saying.It is very lucky that it is in the current lineup.If they had elected not to develop it,it would have been curtains for them.It was/has been very fortunate.As I alluded to,they dodged a bullet.They have some really good vehicles in their line up,that nobody really seems to want.

[Poetic Justice]

I think some people need to understand that VFACTS figures relate to vehicles delivered/registered.

The real story would be in dealerships order write but obviously those numbers won't be seen.

[kevino]

Are they paying the workers whose shifts have been cancelled saw some plants down from 2 nd 3 shifts a day to 1.
Not good for their reputation to burn ward off potential Escape Puma Focus buyers.
Not good to just rely on Thai built Everest /Ranger for market share ..eventually in fact soon China will come hunting those two segments.
Can Ford survive?
They must be burning cash.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

Are they paying the workers whose shifts have been cancelled saw some plants down from 2 nd 3 shifts a day to 1.
Not good for their reputation to burn ward off potential Escape Puma Focus buyers.
Not good to just rely on Thai built Everest /Ranger for market share ..eventually in fact soon China will come hunting those two segments.
Can Ford survive?
They must be burning cash.

I might be dead wrong here but if around 4700 of a 5,000/month sales are
high profit Ranger/Everest, then Ford would pleased to sell that sales mix.
Heart breaking that supplies of Puma and Escape are unobtainable until 2022.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I might be dead wrong here but if around 4700 of a 5,000/month sales are
high profit Ranger/Everest, then Ford would pleased to sell that sales mix.
Heart breaking that supplies of Puma and Escape are unobtainable until 2022.

Are they all high profit examples though?
I've been keeping an eye on a number of sales sites and whilst XLT/Wildtrack do account for a fair %, there have been plenty of XL/S on the used market that had to have been sold new at some point, i doubt those 4000 Rangers are all top spec now all of a sudden, would it be fair to say its probably closer to a 2500/1500 split.
Councils seem to love white XL dual cabs, if it wasn't for the vinyl flooring id have probably bought one by now as they are reasonably priced on the used market for what you get.

OT but Something like this would suit me for what i need, but the missus would be driving it too and she likes a bit more luxury which comes with a higher price tag than id like to spend on a used tow rig.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/morp...ity/1277959026

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Are they all high profit examples though?
I've been keeping an eye on a number of sales sites and whilst XLT/Wildtrack do account for a fair %, there have been plenty of XL/S on the used market that had to have been sold new at some point, i doubt those 4000 Rangers are all top spec now all of a sudden, would it be fair to say its probably closer to a 2500/1500 split.

New XLS is $50k drive away retail price, so yeah, prices are up there even for fleet buyers and 4x4 XL crew cab and govt discount. Hilux and Ranger base vehicles are a lot more expensive than the competition yet they still bring in good sales from local government.

Councils seem to love white XL dual cabs, if it wasn't for the vinyl flooring id have probably bought one by now as they are reasonably priced on the used market for what you get.

OT but Something like this would suit me for what i need, but the missus would be driving it too and she likes a bit more luxury which comes with a higher price tag than id like to spend on a used tow rig.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/morp...ity/1277959026

For a base vehicle, the XL Ranger is not bad, probably good value for people
not into all the bells and whistles, different strokes for different folks.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

New XLS is $50k drive away retail price, so yeah, prices are up there even for fleet buyers and 4x4 XL crew cab and govt discount. Hilux and Ranger base vehicles are a lot more expensive than the competition yet they still bring in good sales from local government.


For a base vehicle, the XL Ranger is not bad, probably good value for people
not into all the bells and whistles, different strokes for different folks.

Probably still 20k under a Wildtrak though so up there but not up there if you know what i mean and XL even moreso.
50k doesnt buy what it used to though thats for sure.

[au2000]

At the end of the day. Current vfacts figures are skewed.. it will settle when the whole semi conductor shortage ends and all manufactures are playing on a level field.. then lets see which brands are in the top 10 and which cars are the real market leaders

[DFB FGXR6]

Listening to Autoline After Hours today, the comment was made that the issues with semi-conductors won't be over for a long time.

Apparently the semi-conductor industry is not set up for quick changes in production requirements, due to the high complexity of these items, and that orders from manufacturers have lead times of up to 26 weeks. The comment was also made regarding the auto industry no longer being the main priority of semi-conductor suppliers, so volume has been directed elsewhere.

Worth a listen, with the above comments from 35min mark -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6bK...D3F80D&index=1