[slowsnake]

I would say that thinking back to the 80's there were quite a few XA and XB cars and vans still around, I had a XB van 302ci donk and if I opened the passenger door and stood on the sill with the door open I could lift the turret, windscreen surround and roof up with my shoulder nearly an inch, I bought it with a pink slip too....went like a bird, but scary, of course I welded the door jamb back together, I was chasing rust for a week, nasty!